It seems like we are agreeing to disagree. What's the way to get on from
here? Having the rest of the people in Uploaders speak up?
Vote? Let the issue rest and ship current packages being worse than we
shipped in etch?


On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 14:52:10 +0200, Ana Guerrero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:47:54AM +0200, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> On Thursday 05 June 2008, Ana Guerrero wrote:

> One only man 15-25h weekly is not enough for all the testing that needs
to
> be
> done, all the answering/checking bug reports, check uploads, read mailing
> list
> related etc. (I have not seen here more people promising devote time to
> this
> goal)

And you are the only one offered to work for kde3 desktop on the maillists.
KDE3 needs more time than you can dedicate.

And we still need to get opinion from the rest of the people doing the
actual work. We so far only heard from people subscribed to the maillist,
but not really spending time on kde packaging.
 
> Once kde 4.1 would be in unstable it is a fight against time and almost
> all
> week are hard to be in VAC if you want this in lenny, but the week 31 is
> from
> 28 July to 3 august, is *really* bad timing.. do you plan upload kde 4.1
> to
> unstable before leaving (release is 29th july) then do not be around for
> fixing all the possible stuff you could have broken and not handling all
> the
> issues that prevent a quick migration to testing?

I do plan to have other parts of the team to be around, but I so hope for
them to speak up.

>> Kde4 shows new ways of thingking the desktop which I feel is really
>> interesting and worth to be spreading out as soon as possible.
>>
> 
> And people should have the option of switch to KDE 4.1 if they want to,
> you
> want to force them.

We need to force them one day. I think that one day has come.

> Build dependencies won't be a big deal in the big picture, true. 

Exactly. So why mention them in the first place, unless you try to grasp
every straw in a FUD'ish way to get it your way ?

> And how your personal opinion about koffice1 sucking matters here?
> (matters in
> releasing with kde4.1 vs kde 3.5.9). 

How does koffice not being ready matter at all ?


> Again, from your personal user-case. I only said some apps that first
came
> to my
> mind.  For example, I do miss in that list kbiff, i do use it. And every
> user
> you ask will miss any KDE 3 app there, sometimes because there is not
real
> equivalent in KDE 4, sometimes because it is unknown for them.

You have plasmobiff instead. Yay for plasma. 

>> > -Some arches do not like KDE 4
>> > Let's keep this short: KDE 4 needs to be built in all the release
> archs,
>> > and it actually does not.
>>
>> It is only hppa. It should be possible to get someone to fix it.
>> (and it isn't autobuild on arm* platforms, but I have pretty good faith
> in
>> that it builds there - and most possible build failures on arm* are
> related to
>> qreal vs double, so easy fixable)
>>
> 
> Still, something to needs be worked on. And you said some days ago by IRC
> clearly it was not your problem, or something like that...

Well - if porters doesn't care about Qt and KDE on their archs, I have a
really hard time figuring out why I should care. But well. Debian hppa
porters doesn't think they can support stable releases, but hppa get
released anyway, so maybe we should just ship fully empty packages on hppa
and be done with it?


> Sorry, but have you looked at the schedule? To fit on it it should been
> _already_ uploaded since weeks ago. Release terms in debian still means
> what
> they are supposed to mean.

Yes. I have looked in the schedule. We have  6 weeks from kde4.1 release to
debian release. THat's great.

/Sune


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