On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 08:41:36PM +0000, Pino Toscano wrote: > Alle lunedì 21 luglio 2008, Pierre Habouzit ha scritto: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 07:21:12PM +0000, Ana Guerrero wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 09:03:42PM +0200, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 05:44:23PM +0000, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > > > > On 2008-07-19, Ana Guerrero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > -okular, the new KDE 4 document viewer. (source split from KDE 4's > > > > > > kdegraphics) > > > > > > > > > > Is it indended to replace or accompany kpdf for Lenny? > > > > > > > > I hope not, okular isn't a decent replacement for kpdf for me yet. > > > > > > seriuosly? first time I have read somebody prefer kpdf over okular. > > > > Seriously: > > + navigation of hyperlinks is badly broken (doesn't jump in the proper > > places e.g.); > > Bug reported but never been able to reproduce myself.
Well, it happens regularly enough to me, and pity you can't reproduce it, but it's a huge problem to navigate in documents that are thousands of pages big. > > + I *hate* the left widget with silly icons that eat horizontal space > > for no good reason, and miss the previous "sliding" widget that > > implemented the very same in kpdf, and it's a big no-go for me, I've > > a small screen on my laptop ; > > The "silly" icons have a reason for being there, but given what you said, > telling the reason is pointless. Anyway, 22px is a so huge problem? Yes, because of that, I cant have two okular side by side _and_ readable contents on my screen, with kpdf I can. Note that when reduced to their minimal size, I have to memorize what the icons are for, which is a regression from the sliding widget in kpdf where there is text I can read. > > And there are quite a few quirks that are irritating beyond words, > > when you work with huge PDFs files (lots of norms, POSIX documentation, > > and whatnot) on a hourly basis. > > And do you hope that the "few quirks that are irritating" will automagically > solve themselves during the night? > I'll tell you what's "irritating": users that don't speak even if forced, but > they do really complain (even a lot) about the state of things. This will NOT > help us (and you probably know that). Well, I have tried it at work for one day, and I'm not payed for reporting bugs. I had really no time for it, and I went back to kpdf. I've decided to wait for a more mature kde release so that the number of quirks goes down and that I can take 5 minutes for reporting the leftovers rather than a hour I don't have. > > + there are quite a few annoying glitches with the thumbnail > > navigation too, I don't recall which though. > > ? I seem to recall something with clicking on thumbnails that doesn't jump to the page, and scrolling that was horribly slow. > > Kpdf may lack a few fancy thingies, but the UI is overall more > > polished. > > Huge POV; many other users actually think the opposite. Probably, but I still hold it, even if it seems to annoy you. > > Like we say in france, the devil is in the details. okular is > > gross compared to what kpdf does for now. > > Cool with words, eh. It's not like we tried to improve it, to get "gross" > back. In fact that's a language issue, I meant rough, not gross. But still, there are indeed things that look better in okular: the gray shadow in the thumbnail area is a good idea e.g. Though, it's not yet polished enough for me. That's all. Note that I'm now an occasional KDE user now, I only use a couple of KDE apps, kpdf being among them. I don't know why you're irritated so much: (1) I wasn't complaining that okular was bad. It's not, I find it promising. I merely stated that kpdf was still better for me. (2) I'm not _required_ to report bugs, I do it when I've the time. Though since I didn't reported bugs, I didn't complained about okular taking time to be fixed. (3) I know what it feel when you worked hard on something and that after all it wasn't so good. I know it hurt pride and al. but really, the left icons are not a good UI. And I know I'm not the only one to think that. (4) I wasn't judging anyone in my previous mails, but now I am: if each time someones tells that they don't like okular you get outraged at this level, then you should really consider quitting. My Ice Cream vendor isn't annoyed when I say that I don't like his chocolate flavoured Ice Cream because it's too soft for me, in fact, it instead creates a new bitter flavor because he knows he'll have some clients that prefers this one.  reporting bugs is a huge work, it's not a fire and forget thing, you have to answer the developers, try new versions, try even sometimes patches and so on. It's very time consuming, and I know I won't have that time. There is nothing more annoying than a user that can't take that time, but still complains about bugs not being fixed. Knowing that, I prefer not firing and forgetting hundreds of bugs, and I don't blame anyone for those bugs not being fixed yet. I don't have the time to follow up decently, hence I don't report bugs to avoid wasting your time. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOO http://www.madism.org
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