On 7/17/06, Rogelio Serrano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
well its not a matter of opinion... the opens source initiative defined it as such. but i guess thats why there is a difference between open source and free software. please dont interchange the two!
my linux-based laptop was being used by a cousin. she isn't computer savvy. she wanted to play a video. and was complaining it was difficult to do it using my laptop. i told her it is suppose to be difficult. i built it using gentoo linux--- its suppose to be technical, it wasn't designed to be user friendly.
on the same token, a linux based desktop--- another cousin wanted to browse the internet. all i had to do was point to her where the browser was and off she went.
another instance-- i taught the same cousin to use my Mac. same thing, which is the browser, which is the instant messenger. never had to repeat an instruction.
point is: normal people expect to be thought simple things. to you me and many people we might say thats just idiotic. but not everyone finds it easy to operate a computer. but once they get the hang of things--- it doens't even have to be that long, a few minutes of tutorial where things are or how to turn a basic feature on and off and they'll be fine.
heck i agree--- most of the time gui slow things down. go commandline! ssh, vi and bash, no one can take those tools away!
for the general population, they don't care. they want easy push button stuff. idiotic. yeah. its one of the problms of linux btw, we make code that fit our lifestyle. asthetics be damn because it just works, its fast. but like i said, 90% of people out there just don't see things that way because like it or not their specialty isn't computers or they have no talent like ours.
zeroconf networking rocks. it works on my mac and i'd love it to just work in linux.
On 7/17/06, Cocoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hello,
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>
>
> its not about making software a free commodity. thats called "Free Software"
> a different animal all together. Open source doesn't just mean access to
> the source code. The distribution terms of open-source software must comply
> with the following criteria:
>
> a. freely redistributable
> b. source code is included even if the program is compiled
> c. it must allow derived works
> d. it ensures the integrity of the author(s)
> e. no discrimination on persons and groups, and even endeavors
> f. it must have a license that is applied to all, to whom the program is
> redistributed to
> g. it doesn't have a product limiting license.
> h. it doesn't restrict other software that goes along with the software
> being distributed
> i. the license must be technology neutral
>
> you can refer to www.opensource.org for the definition
>
> no one can make writing software for free, its not a very good business
> model. linux isn't "free". you me and billions of people can certainly
> download it. we can maintain our own versions of linux. certainly but you
> me and members of plug have one advantage: we know linux so our cost of
A matter of opinion. We cant settle that at all.I will leave that alone.
well its not a matter of opinion... the opens source initiative defined it as such. but i guess thats why there is a difference between open source and free software. please dont interchange the two!
> acquistion isn't as high. people--- normal people will need training to use
> even the simplest thing, although in my opinon they just need to read to
> figure things out... that a different thing all together. training will
> cost money. the cost of installing across multiple networks cost money.
> the cost of defending and maintaining a network of computers whether they
> are linux or not is high. heheh. so its not "free" it can never be free.
>
I dont agree. Thats what conventional wisdom says. There are ways
around that. Like how to hold a tooth brush is almost trivial to
teach. Current Interfaces are just not designed well. I blame WIMP in
particular. Its not a scalable ui architecture.
my linux-based laptop was being used by a cousin. she isn't computer savvy. she wanted to play a video. and was complaining it was difficult to do it using my laptop. i told her it is suppose to be difficult. i built it using gentoo linux--- its suppose to be technical, it wasn't designed to be user friendly.
on the same token, a linux based desktop--- another cousin wanted to browse the internet. all i had to do was point to her where the browser was and off she went.
another instance-- i taught the same cousin to use my Mac. same thing, which is the browser, which is the instant messenger. never had to repeat an instruction.
point is: normal people expect to be thought simple things. to you me and many people we might say thats just idiotic. but not everyone finds it easy to operate a computer. but once they get the hang of things--- it doens't even have to be that long, a few minutes of tutorial where things are or how to turn a basic feature on and off and they'll be fine.
I use computers constantly. I hate files, directories, slow bootup
times, software wizrds,vi, configuration and a lot of other things.
They get in the way of my work. Writing software. MY boss agrees and
my father too but they just cant do anything about it.
heck i agree--- most of the time gui slow things down. go commandline! ssh, vi and bash, no one can take those tools away!
for the general population, they don't care. they want easy push button stuff. idiotic. yeah. its one of the problms of linux btw, we make code that fit our lifestyle. asthetics be damn because it just works, its fast. but like i said, 90% of people out there just don't see things that way because like it or not their specialty isn't computers or they have no talent like ours.
I am working with manets in the weekends and it just works. I dont
think networking should be that hard at all. Current ways of setting
up networking is just not acceptable. Even in a mac.
zeroconf networking rocks. it works on my mac and i'd love it to just work in linux.
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