On 12/9/06, manny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006, Dean Michael Berris wrote:
> This
> same prejudice is what is being propagated by the bill only this time
> it's FOR FOSS -- personal beliefs aside, prejudice is prejudice is
> prejudice and the people who are for fair play and a level playing
> field are for should not stand for any type of prejudice.
You're MISREPRESENTING what the Bill says again, Dean.
No. You keep telling me that I'm misrepresenting it while I keep
making points that are grounded to the bill. READ THE SECTION ON
MANDATORY FOSS (Section 6) UNLESS THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE. If this is
not prejudice, I don't know what is.
This may be true if FOSS was a technology or hardware platform. In which
cazse it would be unwise to tie the future to a technology. But it is
not a technology. It is a BIAS for freedom.
How can it be a bias for freedom when you're mandating FOSS only be
used in government systems unless there is no other alternative?
FOSS IS NOT FREEDOM. FOSS pertains to Free and Open Source Software.
SOFTWARE IS NOT FREEDOM, and the bill has nothing to do with freedom
but has everything to do to push FOSS down the government's throat and
promote an agenda that apparently a lot of people here agree with --
the eventual takeover of FOSS in government through a handout, a
cheat, a shortcut that is that darned FOSS bill.
It is a way of guaranteeing
certain rights about the software to be used. In that sense, it is NOT
prejudicde, unless you think that mandating freedom is prejudice. In which
case,y ou may as well dump the entire Philippine Constitution since i9t
too mandates freedom.
FOSS is NOT FREEDOM.
The Philippine Constitution recognizes the Rights of the People. The
rights give you LIBERTIES, and freedom pertains to the free exercise
of these liberties. The constitution protects your rights and your
freedom to exercise the liberties granted to be inherent to the
constituency.
A convicted criminal in the custody of the Philippine government as
"prisoners" has his liberties, but have curtailed freedom to exercise
some of these liberties. Now the Philippine governments agencies have
the mandate to set their policies, and this includes their policies on
operations and procurement of services/products as provided for the
rules for procurement -- being able to choose on a case to case basis
is a freedom to exercise the aforementioned mandate _WHICH SHOULD NOT
BE PREEMPTED BY BLANKET POLICY_.
Mandating FOSS to be the only software used unless it's impossible to
do so IS PREJUDICE FOR FOSS.
Saying FOSS = FREEDOM is false, and would not be a valid
representation of the intentions of the bill. If there is someone
misrepresenting the bill, it's you Manny.
Really, Dean, I have pointed out your error time and again.
Is it my error, or is it your disagreeing to my stand that you're pointing out?
You think I'm wrong? Then you're free to think whatever you want.
But you still
continue to MISREPRESENT the bill.
The only misrepresentation happening here is you claiming to think
that you know what the bill is exactly saying. And that you are the
authority which determines who is wrong/right.
If you were stupid, then I would
undertsand, But you are NOT stupid. I am tghen forced to consider that you
have a more self-serving agenda. Of course I hope I'm wrong, but the
evidence shows otherwise.
What is the agenda I'm pushing?
FORGET THE FOSS BILL -- then tackle the software procurement problems
our country's government is running into by being partial towards
proprietary software, and give FOSS the equal chance to be able to get
into government systems. I DON'T WANT FOSS TO GET IN BECAUSE IT WAS
MANDATED, but rather for FOSS to fight its way through: if we truly
believe that it's good enough for the government, then WE DON'T NEED A
HANDOUT LIKE THE FOSS BILL FOR FOSS TO GET THROUGH.
If you don't understand that, I can say it over and over again.
My objection is the mandating of FOSS to be the default choice without
due process on a case to case basis. I want FOSS to get in fair and
square, even with the foolishness that corruption has brought to our
country.
It's a matter of doing it fairly -- which is what I've been for since
the FOSS Forum. If you took the time to understand what I've been
pushing, then maybe you'd be having arguments against my stand rather
than keep attacking my mere objection.
Unless you can come up with a better argument than "Mandating Freedom
by Mandating FOSS", I don't see why I should waste my time even trying
to explain what I've been pushing for since day 1.
> The first and foremost criteria for choosing software is whether or
> not it fulfills the technical requirements of the user -- if it does,
> then the non-functional requirements need to be looked at.
That is EXACTLY what is mandated by the FOSS bill.
NO IT'S NOT! Read Section 6: it has nothing to do with technical requirements.
It clearly allows
proprietary software to be purchased when FOSS cannot do the job. Have you
even read the bill?
I've read it from the draft to the latest version.
I've even shown an example which I will show again here just so that
you can understand why the exception for the procurement of
proprietary software is a joke:
#include <iostream>
int main(int argc, char * arg[]) { std::cout << "Hello, World!" << std::endl; };
If the above C++ code was licensed under the GPL, any competent lawyer
can argue that it can be modified to become pretty much _anything_ to
solve pretty much _any software requirement government has_ --
therefore any argument for the procurement of proprietary software IS
A JOKE.
I don't want the Philippine government to fall into a hole it will
definitely dig for itself by mandating that only FOSS be used in
government systems... Forget the exception because a lot of software
like the above licensed under a FOSS license will be chosen *as a
matter of a stupid law*.
So when you start actually either attacking my arguments and not my
objection and stop psycho-analyzing my motives -- which should be none
of your business anyway -- then I would appreciate your sincerity to
actually make a point.
Have a great weekend, and God Bless you too Manny.
--
Dean Michael C. Berris
http://cplusplus-soup.blogspot.com/
mikhailberis AT gmail DOT com
+63 928 7291459
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