Tetsuya, After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken..
Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it throws null pointers on launch. Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll optimize next release ;-) -Andy On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > > For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > > But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > > Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single >> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks >> after that ;-) >> >> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >> >> >> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>> >>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>> >>> For me, this seems very simple. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Man this drives me nuts. That�s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons >>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often >>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >>>> >>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >>>> >>>> -Andy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
