Has Erik (Out-Of-Box guy) understood the simplicity of POI installation? Marketers' eyes are more shrewd than those of developers.
Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:56:58 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Present method for installing POI: > > Unzip POI distro > Copy Jar file(s) into your WEB-INF/lib or wherever you keep your jar files. > > -Andy > > On 7/17/03 5:49 PM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yes but also it's a "smell". If things are so hard to install that you > > need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be > > simplified. > > > > -- Glen > > > > At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote: > >> Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community > >> too much. > >> > >> On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in > >>> Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D > >>> > >>> cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 > >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tetsuya, > >>>> > >>>> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that > >> crowd > >>>> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that > >> WORKS > >>>> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. > >>>> > >>>> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it > >>>> throws null pointers on launch. > >>>> > >>>> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. > >>>> > >>>> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good > >> documentation...we'll > >>>> optimize next release ;-) > >>>> > >>>> -Andy > >>>> > >>>> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > >>>>> > >>>>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > >>>>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > >>>>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > >>>>> > >>>>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > >>>>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > >>>>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > >>>>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > >>>>> > >>>>> Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a > >> single > >>>>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 > >> weeks > >>>>>> after that ;-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, > >>>>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as > >>>>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For me, this seems very simple. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > >>>>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>>>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Man this drives me nuts. That�s why I didn't want to use forrest. > >>>>>>>> Lessons > >>>>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more > >>>>>>>> often > >>>>>>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when > >> someone > >>>>>>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage > >> dependencies. Every > >>>>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and > >> layer the > >>>>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
