Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D
cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 Sincerely, -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tetsuya, > > After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd > promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS > and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. > > Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it > throws null pointers on launch. > > Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. > > POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll > optimize next release ;-) > > -Andy > > On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. > > > > For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! > > I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven > > and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* > > > > But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and > > forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the > > bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the > > sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D > > > > Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 > > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single > >> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks > >> after that ;-) > >> > >> Big pain. Drives me nuts. > >> > >> > >> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. > >>> > >>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, > >>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as > >>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. > >>> > >>> For me, this seems very simple. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 > >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Man this drives me nuts. That�s why I didn't want to use forrest. Lessons > >>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more often > >>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. > >>>> > >>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone > >>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every > >>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the > >>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. > >>>> > >>>> -Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
