Yes but also it's a "smell". If things are so hard to install that you need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be simplified.
-- Glen
At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote:
Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community too much.
On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in
> Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D
>
> cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1
>
> Sincerely,
>
> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
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> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400
> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Tetsuya,
>>
>> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd
>> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS
>> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken..
>>
>> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it
>> throws null pointers on launch.
>>
>> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works.
>>
>> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll
>> optimize next release ;-)
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede.
>>>
>>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!!
>>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven
>>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency*
>>>
>>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and
>>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the
>>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the
>>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D
>>>
>>> Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400
>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single
>>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks
>>>> after that ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it,
>>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as
>>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, this seems very simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400
>>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
>>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Man this drives me nuts. That�s why I didn't want to use forrest.
>>>>>> Lessons
>>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone
>>>>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every
>>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the
>>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Andy
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