Personally I don't care for this. It abstracts the user from the community too much.
On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in > Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D > > cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1 > > Sincerely, > > -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400 > (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Tetsuya, >> >> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that crowd >> promises versus delivers. I'd rather have something we maintain that WORKS >> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken.. >> >> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it >> throws null pointers on launch. >> >> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works. >> >> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good documentation...we'll >> optimize next release ;-) >> >> -Andy >> >> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede. >>> >>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!! >>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven >>> and Centipede. Unbelievable! ... Jakarta is missing *consistency* >>> >>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and >>> forrest bot. ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the >>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the >>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D >>> >>> Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400 >>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> If he follows through which isn't a given. You're taking this as a single >>>> case. I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and 3 weeks >>>> after that ;-) >>>> >>>> Big pain. Drives me nuts. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts. >>>>> >>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches for it, >>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well as >>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc. >>>>> >>>>> For me, this seems very simple. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> -- Tetsuya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400 >>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site) >>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Man this drives me nuts. That�s why I didn't want to use forrest. >>>>>> Lessons >>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build has the more >>>>>> often >>>>>> it breaks. $20 says they never really make it to 1.0. >>>>>> >>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency" when someone >>>>>> tries it? Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage dependencies. Every >>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link. I like POI to stay simple and layer the >>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Andy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
