>> Please. There will not be any magic information there that cannot be found >> elsewhere.<<
So are you saying everything that needs to be written has already been written (yes, tongue in cheek)? First of all, even if it was written somewhere else you need to find it. Second, even with Google you need to know the keywords to search it. Why the heck do you think we have been answering the same question about Fox EXEs starting briefly and then disappearing at runtime? The answer has been written a hundred thousand times, but people don't know to search for READ EVENTS. These are known resources. I also think the material written rarely overlaps in the various Fox periodicals. Fresh material from Rick Strahl is not covered or written by anyone else these days. His article only appears in one magazine. He may write for all of them, but if you needed the information on AJAX, you only got it in FPA. The new stuff written on Vista issues might be covered by both, but in this case I get different perspectives and different ideas from both authors. I believe you limit yourself by not reading both. Here you are on one hand promoting "variety of opinions that make it possible to make good decisions", and on the other hand limiting this by encouraging people to avoid the UT Mag. >>The issue is supporting a business with whom you have a fundamental >>difference of philosophy.<< This is a point well taken. This is a personal issue for each developer to consider. I also think there are exceptions. I for one feel I can override the "negative UT" with the "support the hard work of the authors and editors" since there is no financial benefit going to the UT owner. I also intend on getting something out of the articles which will benefit my business, and my customers. OTOH, I did not support Eli when they destroyed FoxTalk. I did not feel compelled to subscribe to the magazine since the publisher was rerunning the articles and there was no new material. Not a single person was benefitting other than the publishers. >> And imagine if you and others had taken a stand against this negative energy >> instead of actively supporting it.<< First of all, it should be very clear that I am not supporting the UT forum. I am not a paid member, nor do I visit the forum other than to read public posts about me or my businesses, and post meeting notices for our local user group. All I was suggesting is for people to consider the magazine a separate resource. Since it does not make the UT owner a single Canadian penny, it would not benefit anyone but the readers. >>And don't you find it odd that those who can be so pro-Fox can be so >>anti-Microsoft. Says a lot about how Microsoft has affected the Fox community.<< I dont think this is odd at all. Humans are like that, emotional. > That does not mean I would consider a > resource such as the ProFox archive list to be worthless because a few > people take cheap shots at the Evil Empire, or drop "Dabo-can" answers > to a VFP-specific question every few messages. >>I guess you don't see the value of the free exchange of ideas versus top-down >>control. I also find it odd that you don't acknowledge the much more prevalent attitude of Mucrosoft Über Alles: those who assume that the Microsoft Way is the Only Way To Go. << You guessed wrong and if you reread my statement above you will see that I do see the free exchange of information and find this list (and other forums) extremely beneficial to my professional and personal growth. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion as I would have unsubscribed a long time ago. Seriously, while there are people on this list who see value in the development products Microsoft offers, I would not consider it a more prevalent attitude in ProFox. Quite the contrary. But I think our perspectives are skewed based on what we believe is the best, and what messages kind of grind against those beliefs. I fortunately see both perspectives and learn from the posts, even if I think they are outrageous, completely wrong, poor advice, or tainted with animosity against a philosophy or perspective. >>IMO, and that of most of the people on this list, it is the variety of >>opinions that make it possible to make good decisions, and an environment in which differing attitudes are discouraged is very unhealthy.<< I could not agree more, which is why I continue to read the emails from ProFox each day. Rick White Light Computing, Inc. www.whitelightcomputing.com www.swfox.net www.rickschummer.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Universal Thread Magazine resumed On Mar 14, 2008, at 12:46 AM, Rick Schummer wrote: > You may doubt all you want Ed, that is your choice. I would not > expect you to benefit from a Fox > resource like this Fox-oriented magazine, but others might. Please. There will not be any magic information there that cannot be found elsewhere. The issue is supporting a business with whom you have a fundamental difference of philosophy. When FoxTalk went to sleaze marketing, I stopped buying it. It had nothing to do with Fox; I still got FPA, after all. > I am sure you are making this direct > observation from actually reading the old version to make such a > broad assumption such as this. I > personally think the UT is the center of the negative energy in the > Fox Universe, yet I found the > information in the old UT Magazine to be quite good. And imagine if you and others had taken a stand against this negative energy instead of actively supporting it. The sources of the "good information" would have moved on to another, less negative forum, just as the FoxTalk authors did when that mag went down the crapper. Information wasn't lost; just the losers who ruined FoxTalk. > Some very bright people write for this magazine > and the content was worth the time I spent reading it. Can't ask for > much more. I have not read > every word of every issue and might even have missed many issues > completely, but I don't ever recall > reading anything that resembled the stereotypical reputation the UT > has made for itself over the > years. I cannot comment on that, as I don't patronize UT. > Heck, I hang out here in the center of the anti-Microsoft Fox > Universe because I learn something by > listening to the answers and opinions of smart people. Wow, what a concept: allowing people to express their opinions without a heavy hand that bans people who don't agree with the guy running it. And don't you find it odd that those who can be so pro-Fox can be so anti-Microsoft. Says a lot about how Microsoft has affected the Fox community. > That does not mean I would consider a > resource such as the ProFox archive list to be worthless because a > few people take cheap shots at > the Evil Empire, or drop "Dabo-can" answers to a VFP-specific > question every few messages. I guess you don't see the value of the free exchange of ideas versus top-down control. I also find it odd that you don't acknowledge the much more prevalent attitude of Mucrosoft Über Alles: those who assume that the Microsoft Way is the Only Way To Go. IMO, and that of most of the people on this list, it is the variety of opinions that make it possible to make good decisions, and an environment in which differing attitudes are discouraged is very unhealthy. -- Ed Leafe [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
