I think explicit verbs are just like any other verbs, just bigger.

As for expansion of names, I'd be tempted to have that be another
entry point (dsn?) or perhaps a left argument for ds.  I would be
uncomfortable with explaining to someone "this code does not actually
work and it represents this other code".

-- 
Raul

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> sizesentence is failing while sizing the display of the sentence at the top
> of the screen.  This has nothing to do with $: problems.  I will look into
> it after exams.  @. is not supported, so the entire ]`($:@<:)@.* is going to
> be treated as a unit.
>
> $: will add a result to its result stack every time it recurs, and that will
> cause an error because there will be more results than expected.  I plan to
> handle this eventually, when I have code for $: rather than treating it as a
> generic verb.
>
> Named recursive code will recur unseen by ds, showing only the final result.
>
> I think I have to draw the line at trying to display explicit definitions.
> I can't imagine what the display would look like.
>
> I am thinking of defining a new 'primitive' for ds, adverb f: which would
> perform f. on its u operand if u is a tacit verb.  An alternative would be a
> syntax like name:: to mean expand name if it is tacit.  Does either of those
> seem good?
>
> Henry Rich
>
>
> On 6/3/2013 12:59 PM, Raul Miller wrote:
>>
>> My thoughts on this include:
>>
>> All verbs are tacit verbs, even explicit verbs in a sort of empty
>> sense.  And, 5!:5 <'name' could be a good thing to run ds on.
>>
>> I think ds has a problem with $: and this is related to some issues
>> that might come up when dealing with named code (or at least, when
>> thinking about code naming issues it occurred to me that I should test
>> how ds deals with $:):
>>     (0 >. ]`($:@<:)@.*) 3
>> 0
>>     ds '(0 >. ]`($:@<:)@.*) 3'
>> |assertion failure: sizesentence
>>
>> ds would be a good companion to a ui for trace. Where trace shows you
>> the parsing of a sentence, ds will show you the data flow which occurs
>> afterwards. But there are clear limitations on this approach, for
>> example if the sentence uses ? ds should show different data each time
>> it's used.
>>
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