Thanks Ian. trace looks helpful too. I hadn't stumbled upon that yet.

On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote:

> Joe Bogner asks:
> " Is there a utility to generate an explicit definition from a tacit
> definition?"
>
> There've certainly been attempts at one. There hasn't been any published
> improvement on this one by Zsban Ambrus:
> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Scripts/TacitToExplicit
> ...though I've had an add-on on the stocks, waiting to get properly tested
> for almost a year now. (Sorry... it was low priority.)
>
> I also wrote a "roadmap" a year ago to pull together all the relevant stuff
> on jwiki...
> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Guides/Tacit_to_explicit_roadmap
> ...but I notice I didn't finish it (it needs to mention Ambrus's "tte", and
> it's incomplete in "Approach #2").
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Joe Bogner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm learning the evaluation rules for tacit expressions, since that is
> > what's commonly posted as solutions. Is there a utility to generate an
> > explicit definition from a tacit definition?
> >
> > For example, to generate a tacit expression from explicit
> >
> >  13 : '(+/ y) % # y'
> >
> > +/ % #
> >
> > Is there some routine to expand that out? (I've now learned that its a
> > fork).  It seems possible that it could expand out to multiple possible
> > variants -- since as I understand, it's a reduced form. I've looked at
> > fndisplay but didn't put too much time into it yet since I wasn't sure
> that
> > it's what I was looking for.
> >
> >
> > Along those same lines, j6 shows a representation of an expression in
> boxes
> > which I've found to be helpful to understand how an expression is
> grouped.
> > I haven't seen that same functionality in j7 or j8. Does it exist?
> >
> > I find myself spending a fair amount of time taking an expression and
> then
> > looking up its parts in the Vocabulary to understand what its doing.
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