Sebaliknya kalau ada muslimin atau muslimah murtad maka maut tantangannya...
Lha beda pendapat antara muslim aja, seperti beda pendapat antara shiah dan sunni mereka main bunuh kok.. --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> wrote: > > Kalau ada uskup menjadi mualaf itu urusan dia. Umat Katolik tidak akan sewot > dan Vatikan tidak perlu berkomentar. > > Sebaliknya kalau ada orang dungu dan ber-al taqqiya mengatakan bhw seseorang > menjadi mualaf, misalnya Pope Benedict, tapi kenyataannya tidak demikian maka > orang yg waras harus menyangkal berita ngaco tersebut. Soalnya kalau tidak > ada yg menyangkal kebohongan semacam ini maka sebagian besar umat Islam yg > tidak pernah mengecheck kebenaran lalu yakin bhw kebohongan itu adalah > kebenaran yg haq. > > Gabriella > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@...> > To: "gkrantau@..." <gkrantau@...>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@...> > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > Apa anda gak baca pula bahwa gereja roma gak mampu membantah uskup yg jadi > mualaf? > > Anyway, kenapa sewot? > > Kalau emang bener kenyataan seperti itu anda mau apa? Gantung diri > > Dan manusia bodoh seperti anda sudah dibilang untuk kedua kalinya saya bukan > member milist yg anda ikutin. Kalau anda mau bawa temen2 bahas ini lihat dulu > saya posting di milist mana > > Dasar dungu > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > ________________________________ > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) > To: grek_2002@...<grek_2002@...>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@...> > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; Pemikir<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > Bung Greg Le Mond, bacalah kutipan dari pidato Paus Benedict yg mengatakan > bhw yg dibawa oleh Muhammad adalah hal2 yg EVIL dan INHUMAN. Yg jahat dan > tidak berperi kemanusiaan. > > Bayangkan orang yg berpendapat begitu jelas ttg Islam sbg ajaran yg jahat dan > tidak berperi kemanusiaan tidak mungkinlahdia masuk Islam. > > Gabriella > > > > ________________________________ > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@...> > To: "gkrantau@..." <gkrantau@...>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@...> > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > Saya bukan member milist proletar, atau pemikir > > Postingan anda pun tiap saat hanya bermaterikan kedunguan anda saja, jadi > tidak perlu memutar balik lagi soal claim paus > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > ________________________________ > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) > To: grek_2002@...<grek_2002@...>; Alexander Edbert<alexander.edbert@...> > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@...> > Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis > parapemikir<[email protected]> > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus Masuk Islam dan > disertai himbauan agar yg membaca menyebar luaskan klaim orang2 dungu bhw > Pope Benedict mengundurkan diri dan masuk Islam. > > Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai pidato Paus > Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam karena beliau dlm pidatonya > mengritik Islam. Yg ingin lebih banyak membaca ttg pendapat dia mengenai > Islam aku anjurkan untuk click 'Pope Benedict's speech on Islam' atau 'Pope > Benedict's criticism of Islam' > > Gabriella > > POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM > (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) >  > "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was > new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command > to spread by the sword the faith he preached." > These > words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine emperor, Manuel II > Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur three reflections. > Pope > Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor condemning it, in > his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and > Reflections," delivered in German last week in Germany. It > served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western concept of reason > since > the Enlightenment. > But did > he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine order, Abbot Notker Wolf, > understood the pope's quote as > "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad." Vatican > insiders told the LondonSunday Times that Benedict "was trying to pre-empt an > aggressive letter aimed at the > papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited the debate involving a > Persian." > First > reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief statements, and now > this delphic quotation, > but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on this vital topic of > Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. > Whatever > the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable furor in the Muslim > world. > Religious and political authorities widely condemned the speech, with some > calling for violence. > > * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster Cathedral, > Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the pope "to be subject to capital > punishment." > * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash the crosses in > the house of the dog from Rome" and other groups made blood-curdling threats. > * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent retribution > against Catholics. > * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims > to "hunt down" the pope and kill him "on the spot." > * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called on Muslims to > "respond in a manner which forces the pope to apologise." > * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity and tyranny of > the pope will only be stopped by a major attack." > The > Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and unprecedented security > cordon around the pope. Further away, the incitement spurred some violence, > with more > likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the West Bank and Gaza, > one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this ironic headline at > the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent religion ... Muslims bomb > churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and two Assyrians in Iraq > also appear connected. > Second > reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, and murder has a > by-now > routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in response to Salman > Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), > 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a representation > of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a terrorist), 2005 > (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February 2006 (the > Danish cartoon incident). > Vatican > leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his condemnation of > jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, Federico Lombardi, S.J., said Benedict > did not > intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. ⦠inside Islam > there are many different positions and there are many positions that are not > violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of state, > indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his > address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim > faithful." > Then, in > what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict himself proffered the > sort of semi-apology often favored by those feeling the > heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few > passages of my address," reads the official Vatican translation into > English, "which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. > These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way > express my personal thought." > In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono rammaricato, which > translates as "I am disappointed" or > "I regret." > Third > reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit criticism of Islam by > Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the West. Should > Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others will surely > follow. > Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a critical defense > against the imposition of an Islamic order. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
