arra_s, ayub yahya, Dipo, Hasan Basri, johny-indon, 'Musik hari ini', Pinpin, rezameutia, Roman Proteus, suryana, Teddy dan orang Islam lain yang pernah hadir disini sama saja dengan Greg Le Mond itu..
--- In [email protected], "Nub" <nubtheologian@...> wrote: > > wah persis kelakuan member milis ini yg berinisial depan J dan inisial > belakang ohny_indon huehuehuehuehee > > > --- In [email protected], Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> wrote: > > > > Seperti biasa banyak umat Islam yg gumbira kalau ada orang non-Muslim > > menjadi mualaf. Sering pula mereka ngarang, mengaku-akukan orang yg tidak > > masuk Islam dikatakan menjadi mualaf. Kalaua dustanya ketahuan (spt kliam > > mengenai Paus Benedict) maka anda sengaja kirim klaim untuk 'memancing' > > reksi umat Katolik/Kristen! That's rich! > > > > Sekali ber-al taqqiya selalu ber-al taqqiya. > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:41 AM > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > Anda pun seorang pembual yang sok tau ajaran islam > > > > Seluruh tulisan anda tentang islam cerminan manusia dungu dan pandir yg sok > > tau dan mengerti keyakinan islam. > > > > Omongan anda sok sopan padahal isinya fitnah, anyway anda ngapain semangat > > amat dan kayak kebakaran jenggot ngurusin paus, mau dia masuk islam kek > > enggak kek ngapain anda urus? > > > > Katanya umat katolik atau vatikan gak sewot, apa anda seekor anjing piaraan > > provokator yg ingin merusak kerukunan umat beragama dengan rajin2 posting > > soal islam? Kalau anda emang anjing piaraan provokator ya wajar saja anda > > dimaki orang. Hanya provokator model anda yg begitu semangat menjelekkan > > agama yg bukan anda anut. Cerminan otak orang dungu dan gemar menghasut. > > > > Jadi gitu ya hasil beriman kristen? Jadi provokator dan jadi anjing piaraan > > penghasut. Kasian umat kristen lain dicoreng mukanya oleh kotoran dari > > mulut anda, anyway sy sih banyak berteman dgn umat kristen, untungnya > > otaknya tidak serusak anda. Saya emang sengaja posting hal spt itu melihat > > reaksi provokator dungu dan anjing piaraan para penghasut semodel anda. Dan > > rupanya anda paling getol membalas malah sampai japri dan membawa2 nama > > saya ke milist yg anda ikutin bahkan saya bukan membernya, itulah satu > > bukti lg ketololan anda > > > > Saya ucapkan selamat, pancingan saya berhasil, anda terbukti dungu dan > > pandir. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; Pemikir<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > Kalau ada uskup menjadi mualaf itu urusan dia. Umat Katolik tidak akan > > sewot dan Vatikan tidak perlu berkomentar. > > > > Sebaliknya kalau ada orang dungu dan ber-al taqqiya mengatakan bhw > > seseorang menjadi mualaf, misalnya Pope Benedict, tapi kenyataannya tidak > > demikian maka orang yg waras harus menyangkal berita ngaco tersebut. > > Soalnya kalau tidak ada yg menyangkal kebohongan semacam ini maka sebagian > > besar umat Islam yg tidak pernah mengecheck kebenaran lalu yakin bhw > > kebohongan itu adalah kebenaran yg haq. > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 11:41 PM > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > Apa anda gak baca pula bahwa gereja roma gak mampu membantah uskup yg jadi > > mualaf? > > > > Anyway, kenapa sewot? > > > > Kalau emang bener kenyataan seperti itu anda mau apa? Gantung diri > > > > Dan manusia bodoh seperti anda sudah dibilang untuk kedua kalinya saya > > bukan member milist yg anda ikutin. Kalau anda mau bawa temen2 bahas ini > > lihat dulu saya posting di milist > > mana > > > > Dasar dungu > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander<alexander.edbert@> > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; Pemikir<[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > Bung Greg Le Mond, bacalah kutipan dari pidato Paus Benedict yg mengatakan > > bhw yg dibawa oleh Muhammad adalah hal2 yg EVIL dan INHUMAN. Yg jahat dan > > tidak berperi kemanusiaan. > > > > Bayangkan orang yg berpendapat begitu jelas ttg Islam sbg ajaran yg jahat > > dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan tidak mungkinlahdia masuk Islam. > > > > Gabriella > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Greg Le Mond <grek_2002@> > > To: "gkrantau@" <gkrantau@>; Alexander <alexander.edbert@> > > Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:04 AM > > Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > > > Saya bukan member milist proletar, atau pemikir > > > > Postingan anda pun tiap saat hanya bermaterikan kedunguan anda saja, jadi > > tidak perlu memutar balik lagi soal claim paus > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) > > To: grek_2002@<grek_2002@>; Alexander Edbert<alexander.edbert@> > > ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <gkrantau@> > > Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis > > parapemikir<[email protected]> > > Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) > > > > Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus Masuk Islam dan > > disertai himbauan agar yg membaca menyebar luaskan klaim orang2 dungu bhw > > Pope Benedict mengundurkan diri dan masuk Islam. > > > > Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai pidato Paus > > Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam karena beliau dlm pidatonya > > mengritik Islam. Yg ingin lebih banyak membaca ttg pendapat dia mengenai > > Islam aku anjurkan untuk click 'Pope Benedict's speech on Islam' atau 'Pope > > Benedict's criticism of Islam' > > > > Gabriella > > > > POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM > > (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) > >  > > "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was > > new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his > > command > > to spread by the sword the faith he preached." > > These > > words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine emperor, Manuel II > > Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur three reflections. > > Pope > > Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor condemning it, > > in > > his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and > > Reflections," delivered in German last week in Germany. It > > served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western concept of reason > > since > > the Enlightenment. > > But did > > he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine order, Abbot Notker > > Wolf, understood the pope's quote as > > "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad." Vatican > > insiders told the LondonSunday Times that Benedict "was trying to pre-empt > > an aggressive letter aimed at the > > papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited the debate > > involving a > > Persian." > > First > > reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief statements, and > > now this delphic quotation, > > but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on this vital topic of > > Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. > > Whatever > > the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable furor in the Muslim > > world. > > Religious and political authorities widely condemned the speech, with some > > calling for violence. > > > > * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster Cathedral, > > Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the pope "to be subject to capital > > punishment." > > * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash the crosses in > > the house of the dog from Rome" and other groups made blood-curdling > > threats. > > * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent retribution > > against Catholics. > > * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims > > to "hunt down" the pope and kill him "on the spot." > > * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called on Muslims to > > "respond in a manner which forces the pope to apologise." > > * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity and tyranny of > > the pope will only be stopped by a major attack." > > The > > Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and unprecedented > > security cordon around the pope. Further away, the incitement spurred some > > violence, with more > > likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the West Bank and Gaza, > > one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this ironic headline at > > the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent religion ... Muslims bomb > > churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and two Assyrians in > > Iraq also appear connected. > > Second > > reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, and murder has a > > by-now > > routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in response to Salman > > Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), > > 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a representation > > of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a terrorist), 2005 > > (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February 2006 (the > > Danish cartoon incident). > > Vatican > > leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his condemnation of > > jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, Federico Lombardi, S.J., said > > Benedict did not > > intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. ⦠inside Islam > > there are many different positions and there are many positions that are not > > violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of state, > > indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his > > address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim > > faithful." > > Then, in > > what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict himself proffered the > > sort of semi-apology often favored by those feeling the > > heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few > > passages of my address," reads the official Vatican translation into > > English, "which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. > > These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way > > express my personal thought." > > In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono rammaricato, > > which translates as "I am disappointed" or > > "I regret." > > Third > > reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit criticism of Islam by > > Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the West. Should > > Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others will surely > > follow. > > Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a critical defense > > against the imposition of an Islamic order. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
