Seperti biasa banyak umat Islam yg gumbira kalau ada orang non-Muslim menjadi mualaf. Sering pula mereka ngarang, mengaku-akukan orang yg tidak masuk Islam dikatakan menjadi mualaf. Kalaua dustanya ketahuan (spt kliam mengenai Paus Benedict) maka anda sengaja kirim klaim untuk 'memancing' reksi umat Katolik/Kristen! That's rich!
Sekali ber-al taqqiya selalu ber-al taqqiya. Gabriella ________________________________ From: Greg Le Mond <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Alexander <[email protected]> Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2013 8:41 AM Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Anda pun seorang pembual yang sok tau ajaran islam Seluruh tulisan anda tentang islam cerminan manusia dungu dan pandir yg sok tau dan mengerti keyakinan islam. Omongan anda sok sopan padahal isinya fitnah, anyway anda ngapain semangat amat dan kayak kebakaran jenggot ngurusin paus, mau dia masuk islam kek enggak kek ngapain anda urus? Katanya umat katolik atau vatikan gak sewot, apa anda seekor anjing piaraan provokator yg ingin merusak kerukunan umat beragama dengan rajin2 posting soal islam? Kalau anda emang anjing piaraan provokator ya wajar saja anda dimaki orang. Hanya provokator model anda yg begitu semangat menjelekkan agama yg bukan anda anut. Cerminan otak orang dungu dan gemar menghasut. Jadi gitu ya hasil beriman kristen? Jadi provokator dan jadi anjing piaraan penghasut. Kasian umat kristen lain dicoreng mukanya oleh kotoran dari mulut anda, anyway sy sih banyak berteman dgn umat kristen, untungnya otaknya tidak serusak anda. Saya emang sengaja posting hal spt itu melihat reaksi provokator dungu dan anjing piaraan para penghasut semodel anda. Dan rupanya anda paling getol membalas malah sampai japri dan membawa2 nama saya ke milist yg anda ikutin bahkan saya bukan membernya, itulah satu bukti lg ketololan anda Saya ucapkan selamat, pancingan saya berhasil, anda terbukti dungu dan pandir. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT ________________________________ From: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; Alexander<[email protected]> ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; Pemikir<[email protected]> Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Kalau ada uskup menjadi mualaf itu urusan dia. Umat Katolik tidak akan sewot dan Vatikan tidak perlu berkomentar. Sebaliknya kalau ada orang dungu dan ber-al taqqiya mengatakan bhw seseorang menjadi mualaf, misalnya Pope Benedict, tapi kenyataannya tidak demikian maka orang yg waras harus menyangkal berita ngaco tersebut. Soalnya kalau tidak ada yg menyangkal kebohongan semacam ini maka sebagian besar umat Islam yg tidak pernah mengecheck kebenaran lalu yakin bhw kebohongan itu adalah kebenaran yg haq. Gabriella ________________________________ From: Greg Le Mond <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Alexander <[email protected]> Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Apa anda gak baca pula bahwa gereja roma gak mampu membantah uskup yg jadi mualaf? Anyway, kenapa sewot? Kalau emang bener kenyataan seperti itu anda mau apa? Gantung diri Dan manusia bodoh seperti anda sudah dibilang untuk kedua kalinya saya bukan member milist yg anda ikutin. Kalau anda mau bawa temen2 bahas ini lihat dulu saya posting di milist mana Dasar dungu Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT ________________________________ From: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; Alexander<[email protected]> ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Cc: Proletar<[email protected]>; Pemikir<[email protected]> Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Bung Greg Le Mond, bacalah kutipan dari pidato Paus Benedict yg mengatakan bhw yg dibawa oleh Muhammad adalah hal2 yg EVIL dan INHUMAN. Yg jahat dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan. Bayangkan orang yg berpendapat begitu jelas ttg Islam sbg ajaran yg jahat dan tidak berperi kemanusiaan tidak mungkinlahdia masuk Islam. Gabriella ________________________________ From: Greg Le Mond <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; Alexander <[email protected]> Cc: Proletar <[email protected]>; Pemikir <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Saya bukan member milist proletar, atau pemikir Postingan anda pun tiap saat hanya bermaterikan kedunguan anda saja, jadi tidak perlu memutar balik lagi soal claim paus Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT ________________________________ From: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) To: [email protected]<[email protected]>; Alexander Edbert<[email protected]> ReplyTo: Gabriella Rantau <[email protected]> Cc: proletar<[email protected]>; milis parapemikir<[email protected]> Subject: Paus mengritik Islam (=Tidak menjadi mualaf) Beberapa waktu lalu Grek dlm postingnya yg berjudul Paus Masuk Islam dan disertai himbauan agar yg membaca menyebar luaskan klaim orang2 dungu bhw Pope Benedict mengundurkan diri dan masuk Islam. Untuk keseimbangan pendapat aku sertakan artikel mengenai pidato Paus Benedict yg DIPROTES keras oleh umat Islam karena beliau dlm pidatonya mengritik Islam. Yg ingin lebih banyak membaca ttg pendapat dia mengenai Islam aku anjurkan untuk click 'Pope Benedict's speech on Islam' atau 'Pope Benedict's criticism of Islam' Gabriella POPE BENEDICT CRITICIZES ISLAM (Artinya dia tidak menjadi mualaf) "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and thereyou will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." These words, expressed six centuries ago by a Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologus, in dialogue with an Iranian scholar, spur three reflections. Pope Benedict XVI offered the above quote, neither endorsing nor condemning it, in his academic speech, "Faith, Reason and the University: Memories and Reflections," delivered in German last week in Germany. It served to introduce his erudite critique of the Western concept of reason since the Enlightenment. But did he have other purposes? The head of the Benedictine order, Abbot Notker Wolf, understood the pope's quote as "a blatant allusion to [Iran's President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad." Vatican insiders told the LondonSunday Times that Benedict "was trying to pre-empt an aggressive letter aimed at the papacy by the president of Iran, which was why he cited the debate involving a Persian." First reflection: Benedict has offered elusive comments, brief statements, and now this delphic quotation, but he has not provided a much-needed major statement on this vital topic of Islam. One hopes it is in the offing. Whatever the pope's purpose, he prompted the near-predictable furor in the Muslim world. Religious and political authorities widely condemned the speech, with some calling for violence. * In Britain, while leading a rally outside Westminster Cathedral, Anjem Choudary of Al-Ghurabaa called for the pope "to be subject to capital punishment." * In Iraq, the Mujahideen's Army threatened to "smash the crosses in the house of the dog from Rome" and other groups made blood-curdling threats. * In Kuwait, an important website called for violent retribution against Catholics. * In Somalia, the religious leader Abubukar Hassan Malin urged Muslims to "hunt down" the pope and kill him "on the spot." * In India, a leading imam, Syed Ahmed Bukhari, called on Muslims to "respond in a manner which forces the pope to apologise." * A top Al-Qaeda figure announced that "the infidelity and tyranny of the pope will only be stopped by a major attack." The Vatican responded by establishing an extraordinary and unprecedented security cordon around the pope. Further away, the incitement spurred some violence, with more likely on the way. Seven churches were attacked in the West Bank and Gaza, one in Basra, Iraq (prompting this ironic headline at the "RedState" blog: "Pope implies Islam a violent religion ... Muslims bomb churches"). The murder of an Italian nun in Somalia and two Assyrians in Iraq also appear connected. Second reflection: this new round of Muslim outrage, violence, and murder has a by-now routine quality. Earlier versions occurred in 1989 (in response to Salman Rushdie's novel, The Satanic Verses), 1997 (when the U.S. Supreme Court did not take down a representation of Muhammad), 2002 (when Jerry Falwell called Muhammad a terrorist), 2005 (the fraudulent Koran-flushing episode), and February 2006 (the Danish cartoon incident). Vatican leaders tried to defuse the pope's quote, as well as his condemnation of jihad (holy war). The papal spokesman, Federico Lombardi, S.J., said Benedict did not intend to give "an interpretation of Islam as violent. … inside Islam there are many different positions and there are many positions that are not violent." Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the secretary of state, indicated that the pope "sincerely regrets that certain passages of his address could have sounded offensive to the sensitivities of the Muslim faithful." Then, in what may be an unprecedented step by a pope, Benedict himself proffered the sort of semi-apology often favored by those feeling the heat. "I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address," reads the official Vatican translation into English, "which were considered offensive to the sensibility of Muslims. These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text, which do not in any way express my personal thought." In the Italian original, however, Benedict says only sono rammaricato, which translates as "I am disappointed" or "I regret." Third reflection: the Muslim uproar has a goal: to prohibit criticism of Islam by Christians and thereby to impose Shariah norms on the West. Should Westerners accept this central tenet of Islamic law, others will surely follow. Retaining free speech about Islam, therefore, represents a critical defense against the imposition of an Islamic order. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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