Mewah itu sebetulnya relatif. Buat orang miskin, mobil 100 jutaan aja udah termasuk mewah.
Orang miskin di Indonesia itu bejibun, nurut BPS, ada sekitar 30 juta orang "miskin" yg pengeluarannya sekitar Rp240,000/bulan, dan 27 juta orang "hampir miskin" yg pengeluaran perbulannya antara Rp 240 - 280 ribu ke bawah, sehari ga sampe 10,000 perak. Jadi ada berapa lagi yg pengeluarannya antara 280 - 400 ribu misalnya, kalo ngeliat beda 40 ribu aja ada 27 juta, kita bisa kira2 kalo ada 80 juta orang "ga miskin" yg pengeluarannya antara 280-400 ribu/bulan. Total yg pengeluarannya di bawah Rp 400,000/bulan kira2 adalah 137 juta, 1/2 penduduk Indonesia nurut BPS. Apa 1/2 penduduk Indonesia ini bisa beli mobil yg 100 jutaan? Kagak tuh, jadi buat mereka mobil 100 jutaan jg termasuk barang mewah. Biarpun ada 1/2 juta penduduk Indonesia yg cuma segitu pengeluarannya per bulan, orang Indonesia itu kaya krn harga makanan di kota gedenya hampir sama dgn di Australia. Ini kata orang dungu tentunya, hehehe... >________________________________ > From: Bukan Pedanda <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:09 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah > > > > >Pertama: "belum tentu" dikategorikan mobil luxury.. > >Jadi tidak tertutup kemungkinan bisa dikategorikan mobil luxury... > >Kedua: kata luxury dalam bahasa Inggeris tidak sama dan sebangun artinya >dengan kata mewah dalam bahasa Indonesia. > >Ferrari yang hanya berada dijangkauan orang-orang kelebihan duit adalah ikon >kemewahan... > >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@...> wrote: >> >> Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan menterjemahkan: >> >> >> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek eksotis" yang juga melebihi US >> >> $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, seperti >> >> sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun >> >> Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran penuh >> >> kategori mewah. >> >> >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > >> > Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau langsung mengaku dan orang >> > yang berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang >> > fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan glorifikasi >> > pribadi sendiri. >> > >> > Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana unsur HARGA bukanlah >> > satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk >> > sebuah mobil sport. >> > >> > Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan mampu merubah definisi >> > yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan >> > Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam klasifikasi mobil >> > mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. >> > >> > Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma baso >> > doang. >> > >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as luxury >> > > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and >> > > > Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end >> > > > luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > >> > >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> > > >> > > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas dungunya, referensi >> > > Teddy yang >> > > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan ini >> > > tentang mobil mewah: >> > > >> > > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas >> > > mobil >> > > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " >> > > >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa dirinya demikian pintar dan >> > > > rajin menggugel dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan >> > > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". >> > > > >> > > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi bolehlah sedikit >> > > > berbelas kasihan meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. >> > > > >> > > > --- >> > > > >> > > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a vehicle that provides luxury >> > > > — pleasant or desirable features beyond strict necessity—at increased >> > > > expense (see: definition of luxury). The term suggests a vehicle with >> > > > greater equipment, performance, construction precision, comfort, >> > > > design ingenuity, technological innovation, or features that convey >> > > > brand image, cachet, status, or prestige—or any other discretionary >> > > > feature or combination of features. >> > > > >> > > > Luxury market segments >> > > > >> > > > Premium compact segment >> > > > The premium compact segment[clarification needed] or small-luxury >> > > > class is relatively new, having been initiated by several European >> > > > brands in the mid-2000s, and constitute the least expensive offerings >> > > > in their lineups. These cars are targeted at a niche market of young >> > > > customers who have a more refined taste in their automobiles and the >> > > > means to pay for them.[citation needed] By offering a smaller, >> > > > lighter, more fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, this serves >> > > > to introduce a younger customer to the luxury marque, in hopes of >> > > > retaining the coveted customer loyalty.[citation needed] This includes >> > > > the Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz B-Class. >> > > > >> > > > Premium compacts may share components with mass market cars from the >> > > > marque's parent company (the A3), and/or have less sophisticated >> > > > platforms compared to upmarket vehicles in the lineup (such as the >> > > > B-Class). The body style tends to be a hatchback or compact wagon, >> > > > previously associated with economy cars but regaining popularity in >> > > > the United States for its afforded utility. The luxury branding and >> > > > style, high-quality interior materials, wide range of convenience >> > > > features, and performance powertrains are key to distinguishing them >> > > > from mass market equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac >> > > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to consumers. >> > > > >> > > > The classification varies, for instance Consumer Guide Automotive in >> > > > the US considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium compact >> > > > segment due to similar size and MSRP, though these are known in Europe >> > > > as a small family car and a compact executive car, respectively. >> > > > >> > > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars >> > > > The entry-level luxury category is also known as the compact executive >> > > > car in Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this segment >> > > > mostly includes the bottom vehicles in the line-up of luxury brands as >> > > > well as the top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury brands. >> > > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are smaller than mid-size/large >> > > > family cars, and sometimes even smaller than compact cars. Mass market >> > > > compact cars typically use the economical front wheel drive transverse >> > > > engine layout, well suited to the inline-4 engine, which also >> > > > maximizes interior room. Several compact executive cars are rear-wheel >> > > > drive with longitudinal engines, for improved stability and handling, >> > > > and in order to accommodate the larger size of higher-performance >> > > > engines (straight-6, V6, rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often being >> > > > available. Compact executive cars also tend have more complicated >> > > > independent suspensions, sportier transmissions, and high revolution >> > > > engines that may require premium gasoline. The more complex powertrain >> > > > and mechanical layouts of compact executive cars comes at increased >> > > > cost and reduced interior passenger and trunk space. >> > > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW >> > > > 3 Series, Audi A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly >> > > > emphasize sporty handling. >> > > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick >> > > > LaCrosse are also considered entry-level luxury in the United States >> > > > and Canada, being similar in price to the BMW 3 Series and >> > > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not sold >> > > > in Europe and do not fall under European luxury classifications. The >> > > > ES and TL actually began as badge engineered versions of the midsize >> > > > Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, respectively, retaining the front wheel >> > > > drive transverse engine layout, whereas Toyota's current Lexus IS does >> > > > not share a platform with mass market Toyota cars. The ES and TL are >> > > > not considered executive cars either, despite similar dimensions, >> > > > since executive cars usually emphasize higher performance, often being >> > > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines. The present iterations of >> > > > the ES and LaCrosse emphasize "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", >> > > > while the TL has recently been targeted at the entry-level luxury sport market. >> > > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very competitive, and there >> > > > has been price-overlapping with well-equipped non-luxury cars. The >> > > > bestselling vehicles of the marque are frequently compact executive >> > > > cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up 40% of the vehicles that >> > > > BMW sells worldwide. >> > > > >> > > > Mid-luxury/executive cars >> > > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred to as executive cars in >> > > > Britain, Obere Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes Routières in >> > > > French. Examples include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz >> > > > E-Class, and Jaguar XF >> > > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size cars and large family >> > > > cars, executive cars are engineered and positioned as premium vehicles >> > > > with better performance and technology amenities. There are also >> > > > higher development and production costs, as many well-known mid-luxury >> > > > cars use the longitudinal (usually front engine rear wheel drive >> > > > layout) engine mounting which affords space for powerful engines such >> > > > as a V8, instead of the more economical transverse engine layout of >> > > > mass market cars which are restricted to inline-4 or V6. Executive >> > > > cars usually have lower sales and production volumes compared to >> > > > mid-size cars and large family cars, as base trims with less equipment >> > > > and smaller engines are not sold in U.S. and Canadian markets. Also >> > > > due to the problem of steep depreciation, especially concerning cars >> > > > from less prestigious brands, most executive cars are produced by >> > > > marques that specialize in larger/more expensive vehicles. >> > > > Particularly in the United States, the mid-luxury segment is dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as Citroën and Infiniti have not had much success. >> > > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range models of several >> > > > luxury car manufacturers. There are also some flagship sedans in this >> > > > segment, such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. Executive cars such as >> > > > the BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury automaker's bottom line, and >> > > > although not the highest-selling model, they generate a significant >> > > > amount of profits due to the lucrative technology options. >> > > > >> > > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars >> > > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand saloons, or premium large >> > > > cars, while "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of these are the >> > > > marque's showcases for the newest automotive technology. Several >> > > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase versions that offer additional >> > > > rear legroom and amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and >> > > > the U.S. typically have mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently >> > > > some marques have offered six cylinder powerplants but without much >> > > > success. >> > > > Vehicles in this category include some of the models from the flagship >> > > > lines of luxury car brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 >> > > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen >> > > > Phaeton, and in the US, the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS. >> > > > >> > > > Ultra-luxury cars >> > > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive information and marketing >> > > > firm that provides solutions to automotive and related industries, has >> > > > defined the term "super luxury" segment for luxury cars costing more >> > > > than US$100,000. >> > > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston >> > > > Martin, Maybach, and Maserati, as these marques do not offer >> > > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level luxury or mid-luxury >> > > > segments like more mainstream luxury brands like BMW and Mercedes-Benz. >> > > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move downmarket somewhat >> > > > with offerings priced considerably lower than their traditional >> > > > offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the Rolls >> > > > Royce Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, creating what Car and >> > > > Driver describes as the "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, Maybach, and >> > > > Rolls-Royce vehicles share platforms and engines with other luxury >> > > > brands from their parent auto company, however Rolls-Royce and Bentley >> > > > are assembled in England (separate from the rest of BMW and Volkswagen >> > > > Group's production plants) and this "exclusivity" has made these >> > > > British marques a sales success. By comparison, Maybachs are built >> > > > alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan which has explained >> > > > why it has not fared well in the market, furthermore the Maybach's >> > > > pedigree was virtually unknown outside of Germany unlike its British >> > > > rivals which have long enjoyed renown worldwide. A Bentley executive >> > > > was quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, history and obsessive luxury help to convince customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. >> > > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars from Audi, BMW, and >> > > > Mercedes-Benz are often included here as well. They often have >> > > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great refinement and smoothness, >> > > > even though contemporary V8 engines can make similar output while >> > > > being less expensive. While BMW sells far fewer V12-engined 7-Series >> > > > vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 retains popularity in the US, >> > > > China, and Russia, as well as maintaining the marque's prestige in the >> > > > luxury vehicle market segment. These ultra-luxury trims also feature >> > > > standard luxury and technology features that would be considered >> > > > optional on their V8 siblings. >> > > > >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as luxury >> > > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and >> > > > Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end >> > > > luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > > > --- >> > > > >> > > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota >> > > > bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk kelas >> > > > mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari sendiri >> > > > jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin aja). >> > > > >> > > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada >> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as luxury >> > > > automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari, Lamborghini and >> > > > Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete in the high-end >> > > > luxury/full-size luxury category. >> > > > >> > > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas >> > > > mobil mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu >> > > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang memperbincangkan kenikmatan >> > > > berkendaraan dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya memperbincangkan mobil >> > > > mewah. Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata guru wanita SMA kami >> > > > di Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar >> > > > pelajaran bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, itu mata apa baso, Meneer?" >> > > > >> > > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena sudah membuang waku orang untuk >> > > > menerangkan sesuatu yang bisa dicari sendiri. >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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