dan buat ex tki gagal kayak elu tem, semua yg mempunyai roda itu masuk kategori
mewah.
--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote:
>
> Mewah itu sebetulnya relatif. Buat orang miskin, mobil 100 jutaan aja udah
> termasuk mewah.
>
>
> Orang miskin di Indonesia itu bejibun, nurut BPS, ada sekitar 30 juta orang
> "miskin" yg pengeluarannya sekitar Rp240,000/bulan, dan 27 juta orang "hampir
> miskin" yg pengeluaran perbulannya antara Rp 240 - 280 ribu ke bawah, sehari
> ga sampe 10,000 perak.
>
>
> Jadi ada berapa lagi yg pengeluarannya antara 280 - 400 ribu misalnya, kalo
> ngeliat beda 40 ribu aja ada 27 juta, kita bisa kira2 kalo ada 80 juta orang
> "ga miskin" yg pengeluarannya antara 280-400 ribu/bulan.
>
>
> Total yg pengeluarannya di bawah Rp 400,000/bulan kira2 adalah 137 juta, 1/2
> penduduk Indonesia nurut BPS.
>
>
> Apa 1/2 penduduk Indonesia ini bisa beli mobil yg 100 jutaan? Kagak tuh, jadi
> buat mereka mobil 100 jutaan jg termasuk barang mewah.
>
> Biarpun ada 1/2 juta penduduk Indonesia yg cuma segitu pengeluarannya per
> bulan, orang Indonesia itu kaya krn harga makanan di kota gedenya hampir sama
> dgn di Australia. Ini kata orang dungu tentunya, hehehe...
>
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@...>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:09 AM
> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah
> >
> >
> >Â
> >
> >Pertama: "belum tentu" dikategorikan mobil luxury..
> >
> >Jadi tidak tertutup kemungkinan bisa dikategorikan mobil luxury...
> >
> >Kedua: kata luxury dalam bahasa Inggeris tidak sama dan sebangun artinya
> >dengan kata mewah dalam bahasa Indonesia.
> >
> >Ferrari yang hanya berada dijangkauan orang-orang kelebihan duit adalah ikon
> >kemewahan...
> >
> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan menterjemahkan:
> >>
> >> >> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek eksotis" yang juga melebihi
> >> >> US $ 100.000, tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah,
> >> >> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche,
> >> >> meskipun Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / ukuran
> >> >> penuh kategori mewah.
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau langsung mengaku dan orang
> >> > yang berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang
> >> > fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya mementingkan
> >> > glorifikasi pribadi sendiri.
> >> >
> >> > Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana unsur HARGA bukanlah
> >> > satu-satunya kriteria. Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu
> >> > merk sebuah mobil sport.
> >> >
> >> > Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan mampu merubah definisi
> >> > yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan
> >> > Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk dalam klasifikasi mobil
> >> > mewah. Saya tantang anda untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA.
> >> >
> >> > Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka punya mata atau cuma baso
> >> > doang.
> >> >
> >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also
> >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as
> >> > > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari,
> >> > > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete
> >> > > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas dungunya, referensi
> >> > > Teddy yang
> >> > > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan ini
> >> > > tentang mobil mewah:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas
> >> > > mobil
> >> > > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. "
> >> > >
> >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa dirinya demikian pintar
> >> > > > dan rajin menggugel dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan
> >> > > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah".
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, jadi bolehlah sedikit
> >> > > > berbelas kasihan meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ---
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a vehicle that provides
> >> > > > luxury â" pleasant or desirable features beyond strict
> >> > > > necessityâ"at increased expense (see: definition of luxury). The
> >> > > > term suggests a vehicle with greater equipment, performance,
> >> > > > construction precision, comfort, design ingenuity, technological
> >> > > > innovation, or features that convey brand image, cachet, status, or
> >> > > > prestigeâ"or any other discretionary feature or combination of
> >> > > > features.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Luxury market segments
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Premium compact segment
> >> > > > The premium compact segment[clarification needed] or small-luxury
> >> > > > class is relatively new, having been initiated by several European
> >> > > > brands in the mid-2000s, and constitute the least expensive
> >> > > > offerings in their lineups. These cars are targeted at a niche
> >> > > > market of young customers who have a more refined taste in their
> >> > > > automobiles and the means to pay for them.[citation needed] By
> >> > > > offering a smaller, lighter, more fuel-efficient, and less expensive
> >> > > > vehicle, this serves to introduce a younger customer to the luxury
> >> > > > marque, in hopes of retaining the coveted customer loyalty.[citation
> >> > > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 Series, Lexus CT, and
> >> > > > Mercedes-Benz B-Class.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Premium compacts may share components with mass market cars from the
> >> > > > marque's parent company (the A3), and/or have less sophisticated
> >> > > > platforms compared to upmarket vehicles in the lineup (such as the
> >> > > > B-Class). The body style tends to be a hatchback or compact wagon,
> >> > > > previously associated with economy cars but regaining popularity in
> >> > > > the United States for its afforded utility. The luxury branding and
> >> > > > style, high-quality interior materials, wide range of convenience
> >> > > > features, and performance powertrains are key to distinguishing them
> >> > > > from mass market equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac
> >> > > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to consumers.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The classification varies, for instance Consumer Guide Automotive in
> >> > > > the US considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium compact
> >> > > > segment due to similar size and MSRP, though these are known in
> >> > > > Europe as a small family car and a compact executive car,
> >> > > > respectively.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars
> >> > > > The entry-level luxury category is also known as the compact
> >> > > > executive car in Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In the US,
> >> > > > this segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles in the line-up of
> >> > > > luxury brands as well as the top-of-the-line models of some
> >> > > > non-luxury brands.
> >> > > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are smaller than
> >> > > > mid-size/large family cars, and sometimes even smaller than compact
> >> > > > cars. Mass market compact cars typically use the economical front
> >> > > > wheel drive transverse engine layout, well suited to the inline-4
> >> > > > engine, which also maximizes interior room. Several compact
> >> > > > executive cars are rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines, for
> >> > > > improved stability and handling, and in order to accommodate the
> >> > > > larger size of higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, rarely
> >> > > > V8), with four-wheel drive often being available. Compact executive
> >> > > > cars also tend have more complicated independent suspensions,
> >> > > > sportier transmissions, and high revolution engines that may require
> >> > > > premium gasoline. The more complex powertrain and mechanical layouts
> >> > > > of compact executive cars comes at increased cost and reduced
> >> > > > interior passenger and trunk space.
> >> > > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS,
> >> > > > BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly
> >> > > > emphasize sporty handling.
> >> > > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura TL, Chrysler 300, and
> >> > > > Buick LaCrosse are also considered entry-level luxury in the United
> >> > > > States and Canada, being similar in price to the BMW 3 Series and
> >> > > > Mercedes-Benz C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not
> >> > > > sold in Europe and do not fall under European luxury
> >> > > > classifications. The ES and TL actually began as badge engineered
> >> > > > versions of the midsize Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, respectively,
> >> > > > retaining the front wheel drive transverse engine layout, whereas
> >> > > > Toyota's current Lexus IS does not share a platform with mass market
> >> > > > Toyota cars. The ES and TL are not considered executive cars either,
> >> > > > despite similar dimensions, since executive cars usually emphasize
> >> > > > higher performance, often being rear-wheel drive with longitudinal
> >> > > > engines. The present iterations of the ES and LaCrosse emphasize
> >> > > > "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", while the TL has recently
> >> > > > been targeted at the entry-level
> luxury sport market.
> >> > > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been very competitive, and
> >> > > > there has been price-overlapping with well-equipped non-luxury cars.
> >> > > > The bestselling vehicles of the marque are frequently compact
> >> > > > executive cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up 40% of the
> >> > > > vehicles that BMW sells worldwide.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Mid-luxury/executive cars
> >> > > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred to as executive cars in
> >> > > > Britain, Obere Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes Routières in
> >> > > > French. Examples include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, Mercedes-Benz
> >> > > > E-Class, and Jaguar XF
> >> > > > Although having similar dimensions to mid-size cars and large family
> >> > > > cars, executive cars are engineered and positioned as premium
> >> > > > vehicles with better performance and technology amenities. There are
> >> > > > also higher development and production costs, as many well-known
> >> > > > mid-luxury cars use the longitudinal (usually front engine rear
> >> > > > wheel drive layout) engine mounting which affords space for powerful
> >> > > > engines such as a V8, instead of the more economical transverse
> >> > > > engine layout of mass market cars which are restricted to inline-4
> >> > > > or V6. Executive cars usually have lower sales and production
> >> > > > volumes compared to mid-size cars and large family cars, as base
> >> > > > trims with less equipment and smaller engines are not sold in U.S.
> >> > > > and Canadian markets. Also due to the problem of steep depreciation,
> >> > > > especially concerning cars from less prestigious brands, most
> >> > > > executive cars are produced by marques that specialize in
> >> > > > larger/more expensive vehicles. Particularly in
> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is dominated by Mercedes-Benz and
> BMW, as executive cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as Citroën and
> Infiniti have not had much success.
> >> > > > Vehicles in this segment include the mid-range models of several
> >> > > > luxury car manufacturers. There are also some flagship sedans in
> >> > > > this segment, such as the Acura RL and Infiniti M. Executive cars
> >> > > > such as the BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury automaker's bottom
> >> > > > line, and although not the highest-selling model, they generate a
> >> > > > significant amount of profits due to the lucrative technology
> >> > > > options.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars
> >> > > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand saloons, or premium large
> >> > > > cars, while "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of these are the
> >> > > > marque's showcases for the newest automotive technology. Several
> >> > > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase versions that offer additional
> >> > > > rear legroom and amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold in Canada and
> >> > > > the U.S. typically have mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently
> >> > > > some marques have offered six cylinder powerplants but without much
> >> > > > success.
> >> > > > Vehicles in this category include some of the models from the
> >> > > > flagship lines of luxury car brands. Examples include the Audi A8,
> >> > > > BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen
> >> > > > Phaeton, and in the US, the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Ultra-luxury cars
> >> > > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive information and marketing
> >> > > > firm that provides solutions to automotive and related industries,
> >> > > > has defined the term "super luxury" segment for luxury cars costing
> >> > > > more than US$100,000.
> >> > > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of Rolls Royce, Bentley,
> >> > > > Aston Martin, Maybach, and Maserati, as these marques do not offer
> >> > > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level luxury or mid-luxury
> >> > > > segments like more mainstream luxury brands like BMW and
> >> > > > Mercedes-Benz.
> >> > > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to move downmarket somewhat
> >> > > > with offerings priced considerably lower than their traditional
> >> > > > offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the
> >> > > > Rolls Royce Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, creating what Car
> >> > > > and Driver describes as the "entry-opulent segment". Bentley,
> >> > > > Maybach, and Rolls-Royce vehicles share platforms and engines with
> >> > > > other luxury brands from their parent auto company, however
> >> > > > Rolls-Royce and Bentley are assembled in England (separate from the
> >> > > > rest of BMW and Volkswagen Group's production plants) and this
> >> > > > "exclusivity" has made these British marques a sales success. By
> >> > > > comparison, Maybachs are built alongside the Mercedes-Benz S-Class
> >> > > > flagship sedan which has explained why it has not fared well in the
> >> > > > market, furthermore the Maybach's pedigree was virtually unknown
> >> > > > outside of Germany unlike its British rivals which have long enjoyed
> >> > > > renown worldwide. A Bentley executive was
> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, history and obsessive luxury
> help to convince customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which is at
> least twice that of a flagship luxury car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz.
> >> > > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars from Audi, BMW, and
> >> > > > Mercedes-Benz are often included here as well. They often have
> >> > > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great refinement and
> >> > > > smoothness, even though contemporary V8 engines can make similar
> >> > > > output while being less expensive. While BMW sells far fewer
> >> > > > V12-engined 7-Series vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 retains
> >> > > > popularity in the US, China, and Russia, as well as maintaining the
> >> > > > marque's prestige in the luxury vehicle market segment. These
> >> > > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard luxury and technology
> >> > > > features that would be considered optional on their V8 siblings.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also
> >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as
> >> > > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari,
> >> > > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete
> >> > > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ---
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota
> >> > > > bukanlah merk mobil mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk
> >> > > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, yaitu L.... (cari
> >> > > > sendiri jawabnya, jangan mau disuapin aja).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada
> >> > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle:
> >> > > > There are ultra-high performance cars from "exotic brands" that also
> >> > > > exceed US$100,000, but would not necessarily be categorized as
> >> > > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars from Ferrari,
> >> > > > Lamborghini and Porsche, although the Porsche Panamera does compete
> >> > > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK termasuk kedalam kelas
> >> > > > mobil mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu
> >> > > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang memperbincangkan kenikmatan
> >> > > > berkendaraan dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya memperbincangkan
> >> > > > mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata guru wanita
> >> > > > SMA kami di Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau berdarah Ambon) yang
> >> > > > mengajar pelajaran bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, itu mata apa baso,
> >> > > > Meneer?"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena sudah membuang waku orang
> >> > > > untuk menerangkan sesuatu yang bisa dicari sendiri.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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