yea yea yea Acel was so damn good they went out of business. Dont get my going slamming bit mapped crayola like Accel.
Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Darryl Newberry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:43 PM > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Accel vs. protel > > > I heartily concur with Mr Watnoski regarding PCAD superior ease of use and > "niceness" and "sensibility". And no, I am not a newbie, I was a longtime > PCAD user (going back to MD 4.x, that's 1988 kids) and then PADS/DOS for a > couple of years, then more recently ACCEL/Tango v13 for about 3 years, now > Protel 99se for almost a year. > > I normally try to keep my mouth shut about how bad Protel sucks because > people get all bent out of shape as if I'm slamming their wife or > mother or > something. Sure Protel is pretty eye candy, and to be fair, it tries very > hard to be a full featured system in monolithic package, but it only gets > credit IMO for the basics, and even a lot of that is quirky and fairly > non-intuitive. Protel feature sets I do like are single-key CAM generation > and print preview. The synchronizer works well most of the time. The > schematic editor is a real toy compared to Pcad. Wire rubberbanding is the > key to pcad ease of use I think. Protel library handling is really > intimidating but in the end isn't all that great because of the lack of > standardized field usage e.g. for simulation. Having user-defined > and -named > attributes is SOOO much better. Protel simulation is very "lite" IMO. > Support for SPICE models is okay but I've gotten more useful > results faster > out of simpler cheaper programs like EWB, as in 2 hours out of the box. > Signal integrity? Never could get it to work, it locked up my system on a > small 100-part design. Protel automated placement and routing > (again IMO) is > 94.2% useless. I place schematic symbols, add wiring, do placement, and > route--all manually. > > My crystal ball says that Phoenix will include those PCAD > niceties and more > like integrated libraries and perhaps even in-place library > editing. I could > be wrong. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Watnoski, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 13:54 > > To: 'Protel EDA Forum' > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Accel vs. protel > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I will admit that I have had more experience with PCAD > > than Protel. > > I have used PCAD for about 3 years and Protel for only abut > > six months now. > > > > It is the common things that Protel fails in that drive > > me crazy. > > Things like having to readjust the wire after moving a > > component. Protel > > will keep the wires connected unless this option is turned > > off. PCAD allow > > a component to be dropped on a wire and it will split the > > wire and connect > > each end to the pins. Protel will short the component, so > > the wire must be > > deleted first and two new wires drawn. I also don't like > > that Protel will > > delete all wires drawn in the same operation rather than just > > the selected > > wire. This list can continue on but I suspect part of this > > is my preference > > due to having learned PCAD first. YMMV > > > > Michael Watnoski > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:03 PM > > To: Protel EDA Forum > > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Accel vs. protel > > > > > > At 09:59 AM 2/8/2002 -0500, Watnoski, Michael wrote: > > > > > I regularly use both systems and I prefer PCAD. I > > only use Protel > > >because my day job insists that I use what they already paid > > for. I find > > >PCAD far more efficient and easier to learn. I am able to > > turn out jobs in > > >about a third of the time that Protel requires. This makes > > me far more > > >competitive in my contract work. > > > > My suspicion here is that Mr. Watnoski is not as skilled at > > the use of > > Protel as he is at the use of PCAD; he may well be trying to > > use Protel in > > a PCAD manner, and, definitely, that would be slow. > > > > What would be useful would be to compare specifics, what is > > fast in one and > > slow in the other, and are there ways to improve efficiency? > > Since Mr. > > Watnoski is forced to use Protel, perhaps he might learn > > something which > > would help him in his day job, and I might learn something that would > > encourage me to dive into my PCAD license. > > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
