One problem I am seriously encountering here, is with my management in
explaining exactly what ATS (or even the DXP upgrade) will buy them.

They like to see a quote for exactly what they are buying (and delivery
dates), spend the money and have something delivered for their money. They
are worried about spending and getting absolutely no return on there

Buy a faster PC costing X, recover that cost in Y months as Z much more work
has been done. How do I express this for ATS (and DXP)?

I once worked for a company that used Orcad (V3.0 I think), who religeously
bought annual update and support (only 200/year per seat for 5 seats), as
for a while that provided updates, from V1.0 to V2 to V3 + updates. But when
nothing was forthcoming during one year (ie the order said 200 and yet
there was no delivery note !!) and support was never used, as they either
couldn't provide a solution or the Orcad users just solved the problems
amongst themselves, the annaual update and support was not renewed (10 seats
by then). Eventually paid for a V3 to V4 update on one seat to solve a
specific problem, but was unable to get any further money after having been
burnt spending over 1000 and getting absolutlely nothing in return.

I get very similar feelings about ATS.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 30 August 2002 10:50
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: [PEDA] Service Pack 7 - or free DXP
> Aren't we about due for Service Pack 7 for Protel 99 SE?
> DXP, even by the most expert opinions, is  not ready for "Prime Time" yet,
> and it appears that most people are saying that it will be about a year
> before it is really ready. (See the Altium DXP forum for more on that
> issue.)
> There is the additional question of whether or not one wants to pay for an
> new system when the one that he already has paid for still has some
> unresolved problems and issues.
> While I know that there are those that will say that there has
> been a "free
> ride" with all of the "free" Service Packs that have been issued
> for Protel
> 99 SE, I would respectfully remind anybody who might think that,
> that there
> are numerous people out there who have bought P99SE at SP5 or
> SP6, and some
> of which have even been bitten by the price increase last July,
> and yet will
> still not receive a free upgrade if they purchased before October 1st of
> last year, and still have not seen any response from Altium to some of the
> remaining problems and issues with P99SE which have been reported
> to Altium.
> Please note that some of these people have not even had P99SE for a full
> year yet, and irrespective of how long they may have actually had it, they
> have still seen no resolution to problems reported within a week or two of
> purchase.
> I would respectfully submit that many people out there have purchased a
> product, Protel 99 SE,  for a very large sum of money, which they
> intend to
> use, and intend to keep, and intend to have it properly perform
> the function
> for which they bought it, and for which it was designed, and have
> the right
> to have the remaining problems with that product fixed with
> another Service
> Pack.
> There is an existing Bug list.
> There are numerous other problems that have been addressed in this forum
> which are reasonable canidates for inclusion in a Service Pack 7.
> I would respectfully submit that this issue should be discussed
> here in this
> forum, in a reasonable fashion, to determine if there is enough basis for
> requesting another Service Pack for Protel 99 SE from Altium.
> I would further submit that minimally that Service Pack should be free to
> anyone who purchased Protel 99 SE while it was already at SP6,
> and possibly
> even SP5.
> Further, I believe that whether or not older users of P99SE should have to
> pay any fee for the Service Pack, would be a topic for
> discussion, and would
> among other things, be partially based on just what was fixed versus how
> long it has been a known issue or problem.
> I am not exactly sure what the date of the release of SP6 is, but I know
> that it was in effect when my employer bought another seat for me
> early last
> July of 2001, about a week after the price increase.
> I respectfully submit that it is reasonable to assume that at
> least from the
> time of the release of Service Pack 6, and possibly even Service Pack 5,
> that Altium has been working towards, and concentrating all of their
> efforts, not on solving the remaining problems with Protel 99 SE,
> but rather
> on the release,  and sale, via ATS and upgrades, as well as new sales, of
> their new Product, DXP.
> Where does that leave recent purchasers of Protel 99 SE?
> I submit that Altium has not finished fixing the Protel 99 SE product, and
> that there are those customers who have purchased Protel 99 SE prior to
> October 1st 2001, who are entitled to have the product that they paid for
> upgraded to Service Pack 7.
> I would respectfully submit that Protel / Altium may have resolved the
> "update" issue for those who purchased P99SE after October 1st 2001, by
> offering an "upgrade" (by means of ATS) in lieu of an "update", and that
> therefore, these customers will in fact get some form of an "update".
> If Altium wants to take the stance that those customers who
> purchased Protel
> 99 SE, no matter how recently, now only own a license for a product that
> will no longer be supported, then I might respectfully submit that an
> alternative to issuing a Service Pack 7 "update" for Protel 99
> SE, might be
> to give a free "upgrade" to DXP, without ATS, to all of those
> customers who
> purchased Protel 99 SE at SP6, and possibly even SP5. Of course I would
> maintain that that free "upgrade" should not be issued (since
> there will be
> no ATS) until such a time as the DXP Product has achieved a
> stable platform.
> I submit that it is time to make a list and submit it to Altium.
> Respectfully Submitted,
> JaMi Smith
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