If my memory serves me right, there is another trick here. I beleive Protel
takes into account hidden "comment" and "designator" strings on the PCB when
it attempts to find the boundary of your design. At least this has been my
experience using Protel 99SE. The solution? If you can afford to turn on all
designators (use a global change) you should be able to then see them and
move them back into the board space and rehide them. 

If you've done much work organizing which comments and designators are
hidden/shown than you won't want to do this. You could do a global select on
all components where comment and designator are hidden. Again, use a global
change to show all comments and designators and then fix the problem
component. Once complete, rehide the comments/designators that are selected.

Or, if you've got too many combinations of shown/hidden comments and
designators just copy the design (or PCB) to another name and turn on all
designators. You can then use this to determine which components are the
problem and fix them selectively in your original design/PCB.

By the sounds of it, you'll know the commands/menus to check and fix this if
this is the problem. If you need more detailed instructions let me (or the
list) know.

Darcy Davis
Design Engineer,
Dynastream Innovations, Inc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Courtney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: September 2, 2004 7:58 AM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] v large pcb document

Thanks for the interesting thought but I don't think that is the problem. I
did check for off sheet primitives with all layers on but nothing showed up.
When I select 'View | Fit Document' the board becomes a small patch at the
bottom left hand corner and the coordinates of the top right are X:99999mil
Y:99760mil. This would suggest that the document size has been maximized for
some reason. The 'View | Board' and 'View | Sheet' options work fine.

Can I move the layout onto a new board to fix this?



-----Original Message-----
From: H. Selfridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 September 2004 06:37
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] v large pcb document

This is a problem that crops up regularly in all versions of Protel.  It is 
likely that, at some point in laying out your PCB, some primitive or 
component accidentally has been moved or placed outside your work area.  It 
may even be on a layer that you have turned off, such as a mechanical layer 
used for notes or mechanical layout.

First use "turn on used layers" to make sure all is visible.  If you can't 
see the culprit, try using "deselect all" then "select outside" and  draw 
your selection box around the perimeter of your desired board layout 
area.  Now use "shift delete" to delete all selected items.  Whatever is 
outside the selection box should be deleted.

You can also try the same "select outside" and then drag the selection into 
visual range so you can delete it.

At 03:42 PM 9/1/04, you wrote:
>I am using DXP +SP2 and have a PCB design where the document size is very
>much bigger than the board. Because of this I can't get a print preview or
>generate Gerber files. In the latter case I get a 'film too small' error. I
>don't know how the document size got changed but I would very much
>appreciate a way to reset it to the same as the sheet so I can make some
>output files. All suggestions welcome.

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