I'd also like to add that Pyramid's level of abstraction (measured in brick
size, if you will) is just right for many projects, making it easy to be
productive and flexible at the same time. Those of us that are using
Pyramid successfully went through a learning curve to be sure, but I
haven't known the community to feel bogged down writing glue code at the
outset of each project or wishing there was one more higher-level library
to bind them all.

If your mental model of a website can be fully accommodated by the features
in other frameworks, there's always the argument that they would be a
better starting place than Pyramid. In my case, I've needed to rethink the
notion of "web app" more than once, and Pyramid has been there consistently
and successfully as my foundation.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Michael Bayer <[email protected]>wrote:

>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Chris McDonough wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2011-12-13 at 01:59 -0800, rihad wrote:
>
>
>
> You are presuming that there is a one true form library that does
> everything well that is completely satisfactory in all cases.  I can
> tell you from pretty hard experience that this is not true.  To the
> extent that I recommend a single form library, I tend to recommend
> Deform because a) I wrote it and b) it's a Pylons project.  But I always
> qualify my recommendation of it with "it's great for autogenerating
> forms, but it's not so great if you want pixel-control over the layout".
> For that, I tend to recommend pyramid_simpleform (also a Pylons
> project).
>
>
> Plus, I despise autogeneration of form HTML - it's not compatible with the
> organizations I work in, where layout is hand-designed by client side
> developers.   What works for some kinds of organizations doesn't work for
> others.
>
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