Re: [qsiteict] VisioModeler

[Joshua Paech]

I've heard of NORMA as a free Visual Studio plugin, but apparently it will not work with the Express version of the Visual Studio range. :( On 20/02/2010 8:31 PM, Ross Hunter wrote: Hi Guys   I love to teach DB development from Graeme Summer’s Developing Databases with Access (a really old edition now), and do it the old fashioned way; with a whiteboard and marker.   Our own IPT subject offering has died; however, I’m still impressed by ORM and how it can be used the logically render reality (ordered discourses).   I’ve done a little digging, and I think that the The ORM Foundation may be of help; they refer to two tools that superseded visiomodeler; i.e., Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects; then NORMA (Natural ORM Architect for Visual Studio); I’ll be looking very closely at this tool   Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-Role_Modeling contains more tools   I hope this helps   Kind Regards   Ross Hunter   From: bounce-1635018-706...@edna.edu.au [mailto:bounce-1635018-706...@edna.edu.au] On Behalf Of Rex Boggs Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 8:25 PM To: QSITE ICT Teachers Subject: Re: [qsiteict] VisioModeler   I have a very knowledgeable Year 11 student doing IPT.  He was saying that only certain processors will support XP mode under Windows 7, so I asked him to give me a list.   It is attached.  I haven't confirmed this information so use it at your peril.  But it does appear that you need both the right version of Windows 7 (Windows 7 Professional or Ultimate) AND a compatible processor to do this.   Best to visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx   There is a program you can download that tells you if your hardware can run XP mode.  See attached jpg   Cheers   Rex             From: Darren White Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 3:30 PM To: QSITE ICT Teachers Subject: RE: [qsiteict] VisioModeler   I would double that 2c to make 4c and continue to run XP under virtual pc to get access to Visiomodeller. IPT would not be the same without it.   Cheers     Darren White   Head of Information Technology Kings Christian College Ph:07 5587 7610 Fax: 07 5587 7696 dwh...@kingscollege.qld.edu.au www.kingscollege.qld.edu.au         From: bounce-1634830-705...@edna.edu.au [mailto:bounce-1634830-705...@edna.edu.au] On Behalf Of Paul Herring Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 3:10 PM To: QSITE ICT Teachers Subject: RE: [qsiteict] VisioModeler     My 2c worth:   I have found nothing that comes close to Visiomodeller in its ability to create CSD’s from the elementary fact sentences including nested fact types.   It also encourages the use of population checks which for ORM are the real secret to success.   The issue now though is getting it to function under Windows 7.   While ORM may not be ‘industry standard’ (many still use ER),  I believe it is an excellent design tool at this stage of the development of students considering Information Systems as a career. I believe it is worth keeping.   Cheers, Paul           Paul Herring M.Sc (Physics)., B.Sc., Dip. Tchg., MACS (PCP), Cert IV (TAA40104)   St Peters Lutheran College  PO Box 111 66 Harts Road Indooroopilly  QLD  4068 Ph: 07 3377 6547 (Direct) Email: p.herr...@stpeters.qld.edu.au Web: www.stpeters.qld.edu.au   Lutheran Church of Australia trading as St Peters Lutheran College.  CRICOS Provider:  00516E This message may include Commercial-in-Confidence material.  The message and any attachments are intended for the named recipients and should not be copied, reproduced or forwarded to another party without prior approval of the author. The views expressed by the author may not represent the views of The Lutheran Church of Australia or St Peters Lutheran College. If this message has been received in error, please notify the author and delete the e-mail immediately.  Thank You.         From: bounce-1634350-705...@edna.edu.au [mailto:bounce-1634350-705...@edna.edu.au] On Behalf Of David Fenton Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 7:59 AM To: QSITE ICT Teachers Subject: Re: [qsiteict] VisioModeler   G'day Jonathan,    When you say you use DIA for CSD work, do you mean you use it for ORM with entity object and value objects etc to create a full conceptual schema? Do the students manually create every object and role on the diagram and join the roles and put the role descriptions in the boxes...?   If so, then this is why I like the 'decrepit' VisioModeler - it is the best software around for creating a CS diagram directly from fact sentences AND mapping the CS straight to a data dictionary. All of its functionality has been ported to Visio, but somehow only the Enterprise Architect version. They've left us educators out in the cold with the now unsupported VisioModeler.   If DIA requires the creation of the diagrams by hand, then I may as well use the diagramming functions in MS Word 2007.   I have downloaded DIA and will have a closer look at it.   Thanks for all the tips. Cheers David Ô¿Ô¬ International Education Services   On 18 February 2010 22:50, Jonathan Klupp <jkl...@faithlutheran.qld.edu.au> wrote: Hi all, I use DIA a lot for 11 and 12 IPT in our CSD work. It is very simple to use (students are producing real work quickly) , and it actually works as a full function program for free. I haven't had as much luck using it for NS diagrams. Has anyone used DIA for NS diagrams (algorthim work). Is there a template that works that people know of? As an aside, for NS drawing,  I have found that NSD Editor (NSD.EXE) is a BRILLIANT start, but the version I have (at least) will not do CASE statements for example, so its use is limited.  Anyone know how to work around this? 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