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You're right Stacy and I bet any one of us would gladly give our life up if it would put an end to sci and all the other diseases associated with stem cells.
Mark
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Date: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:21:38 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
If those lines aren't used ever then what good is it even though it is fertilized? It's not being used and most of them wont be. They just stay frozen forever? What kind of life is that for an embryo? Why not use them to help for research and then the can potentially make lives better for people with many disabilities. It may not help you or me or any of us for that matter, but what about future generations? A fertilized embryo that would be frozen forever if not used for research or more people living lives in misery.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
Bush did not ban stem cell research! He limited federal funding of "embryonic" stem cells to those few lines that existed before August 9, 2001. States can fund embryonic stem cell research on lines that are not within the federal guidelines all they want. Last year the NIH funded $190 million in "adult" stem cell research.
If one believes that a human embryo is the beginning of a human life, even if it is just a few microscopic cells, then how can that person justify destroying it?
Personally, I haven't quit decided based on the information I have read. So until I'm more certain I have no problem limiting embryonic stem cell research and focusing funding on adult stem cells.
Jim
At 06:44 PM 10/10/2004, Stacy Harim wrote:
I agree Mark, then what happens if by some miracle they find a major advancement with the couple of crappy lines they have left. Will Bush go ahead and let the use the remaining lines that are not being used? It doesn't sound like it because he doesn't agree with it at all.
Stacy
"People who hate you do not win unless you hate them. Then you destroy yourself"
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Mark Felling
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:21 PM
- Subject: [QUAD-L] Political Garbage, & False Logic .... Reaction to: Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
- Boyd,
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- I have seen an e-mail similar to yours prior to yours. I'm assuming that is where you borrowed it from with a few editions... However I ask you, where is the logic in your statement: "
as reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in Iraq"? How do increased casualties in Iraq demonstrate al-Qa'ida' support for Kerry/Edwards? The logic of that statement is ludicrous and nonexistent.
Further, the logic saying that if the Communist Party does not support Bush (which I question the validity of such an official statement having been made), then they must support Kerry is just as silly. That is like saying if A does not equal B, then B must equal C. This is not a form of deduction or even induction, but rather one of the most common examples of false logic. (Look it up in any academic resource considering the topic of deduction)
Please, if you want to argue politics, focus on real issues each candidate takes a specific stance on, such as stem cell research.
(Note, so far I have not given an opinion or support for one side or the other) however if you watched the debate last night, Bush stated that he supported stem cell research but felt that the existing stem cell lines "he made available" were sufficient for scientific research. He believes these lines contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient?!" (he never contested the fact the lines were contaminated with mouse cells thus concedes that fact). He apparently believes treatments developed that are contaminated with mouse cells are "sufficient" for you and I. Apparently he is so arrogant that he believes he knows more than the scientists who adamantly emphasize that their hands are tied with this restriction combined with the contamination. I wonder if his opinion would change if one of his drunken daughters broke her knack during one of her binges?
It is true that I despise Bush, his ignorance of the world and international relations, his misconception for economics, his lack of vision for anything his father did not first try to push, etc. the only thing I support about him is his support for adoption as an alternative for late term, third trimester, abortions. Yet, did I state that I necessarily support Kerry? No. That my Democrat? No. Am I a student of international relations, specific to international cultural interactions & conflicts, international economic interactions, who has traveled the world, lived abroad, and speaks a number of languages? Yes. However, by the false, deductive logic in your previous statement Boyd, I guess I must be a Communist! Chuckle!
Please be original rather then mimicking Internet spewed garbage...
Mark Felling
- -----Original Message-----
- From: William Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
- Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 12:29 PM
- To: hey-guys
- Subject: Fw: [QUAD-L] Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
- Where exactly might I find evidence that this cast of criminals and ne'er-do-wells support Kerry? bin Laden is hiding in the hills and Saddam is in jail. The rest have no bearing on American elections except perhaps some twisted sense of revenge against Bush. Of course, all Republicans are righteous and would NEVER spin the truth. GOP is just a tiny letter removed from GOD, therefore it MUST be above reproach. Perfect logic.
- ----- Original Message -----
- From: Boyd Jenkins
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Tom Barker Thomas Barker ; Dolores Barrett ; Henry Cudo henry cudo ; Robert Dotson ; Duane Ebarb ; Carl Grishom ; Brant Jenkins ; Brant Jenkins Jenkins Brant Civ 608 COS/DOOO ; TL & Mollie Jenkins ; Carla Lammons ; Steve Lammons ; Terry Madden ; Lavonne Murphy ; Rhonda Pardue ; Cheri Pelletier ; RANDY an [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Kathie Troquille ; Brenda Waldrip
- Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:07 PM
- Subject: [QUAD-L] Communist Party Endorsement Kerry/Edwards
- Since the Kerry/Edwards ticket is courted by al-Qa'ida', as
- reflected in stepped-up American and allied casualties in
- Iraq, and since that ticket is also supported by:
- Osama bin Laden
- Saddam Hussein
- Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi
- Kim Jong-Il
- Mohammad Khatami
- Moammar al-Ghadafi
- Hu Jingtao
- Jacques Chirac
- Gerhard Schroeder
- Kofi Annan,
AND the Communist Party, USA, stating: “We have
refrained from fielding our own candidate so as not
to distract from the main effort of defeating Bush and
the ultra-right extremist agenda."
We must count our great good fortune, that except for
members of the Communist Party, none of the listed
entities enjoy our privilege of casting a ballot directly.
The CPUSA’s collective anti-American posture makes
a mockery of their citizenship.
We need to keep President Bush in the oval office!
Boyd
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