Not everyone believes in the same deity, anyway. Not everyone believes in any
deity or deities. Take the mythology out of the equation, and a lot more
things would be possible, I think. I'm not knocking anyone's beliefs or ideas
about religion, I wouldn't do that, but look at how much hypocrisy
and terror has been caused by the ideas, and in the names of religion and
deities.
-Angie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All this sure was easier (philosophically anyway) in the old days
when playing with God's work wasn't possible. All medicine - treatments -
procedures - are fiddling with HIS design and work. It's pretty tough to
'half-learn' anything once you get started. HE didn't make us with the 'give
up' gene activated just because we are at a certain level. If so, it would
have activated a long time ago.
Dave
In a message dated 4/8/2007 11:04:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
I am against the whole IVF process that creates excess embryos to begin with.
The frozen embryos can continued to be stored indefinitely. What's wrong with
that? Are you concerned about the energy being used to keep them frozen? The
embryos that are unfrozen eventually die a natural death, just as every other
living thing, then cremated. That is quite different then killing it by
removing stem cells to use in someone else. Even organ donors are declared dead
by some standards before there organs are removed. # S.5âStem Cell Research
Enhancement Act of 2007 doesn't even do that; it just states that the embryos
were in excess of the clinical need of the individuals seeking such treatment.
and would never be implanted in a woman.
I want my spinal cord repaired so I can breathe without a ventilator and
possibly move independently, but I don't want it so badly that I will end
another human life just for the possible improve my own life. I don't
understand how those wanting to use stem cells from embryos can't comprehend
that. An embryo is a human life, and put into the right environment, will
continue to develop and grow. I'm not so self centered that improving my life
should come at the cost of another life.
There are other sources of pluripotent stem cells, sources such as umbilical
chords and amniotic fluid. There is also somatic cell nuclear transfer
(therapeutic cloning) which I don't have a problem with.
On a side note, my cousin just gave birth to a son last week. He was the result
of IVF from her egg and her husband's sperm. They had 8 viable embryos. The
first 7 she did not carry full term. I'm happy for them that the last one she
was able to carry to term and mom and son are doing fine.
Jim
At 08:04 AM 4/8/2007, Dan wrote:
So what do you do with the thousands of excess fertilized eggs that result
from in vitro fertilization? Store them forever? Ban the process? These excess
eggs are thrown into the garbage everyday yet I don't hear anyone complaining.
So what's your answer.
Dan
At 07:50 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response:
Glad to see you partly agree with me Dan. (yes I realize you were being
sarcastic) I don't agree with the part about having elaborate funerals and
burying them, but yes we must not destroy unused fertilized eggs created for
IVF treatments.
Using unused embryos is not the same as organ donation because organ donor are
dead before organs are harvested. Removing stem cells from an embryo kills the
embryo.
I've listened to Dr Kerr from Johns Hopkins talk a few times about his
research. http://www.hopkinsneuro.org/tm/
watch his presentation at the 2006 symposium here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2767307331641285489&hl=en
he mentioned that they want to use the embryos created for IVF that are
deformed (something to that effect) and can not be used for in-vitro treatment.
Now I can go along with using those that could not be used to result in a
pregnancy.
I agree with S. 30: A bill to intensify research to derive human pluripotent
stem cell lines
At 06:35 PM 4/7/2007, Dan wrote:
Yes, yes, yes! We must not destroy all those useless fertilized eggs. We
should let them perish on their own and then we should have an elaborate
funeral and bury them in a tiny little plot of earth. AND we must not allow
abortion at ANY cost. Thank you Jesus! Hallelujah!
Dan, who always gives great credence to anything authored by a reverend.
At 06:15 PM 4/7/2007 -0700, Jim Lubin said something that elicited my response:
SIX STEM CELL FACTS
There are non-controversial alternatives worth exploring; such as the
reprogramming of ordinary somatic (body) cells, the derivation of stem cells
from amniotic fluid, and (assuming that it can be shown that the product is not
an embryo), altered nuclear transfer.
Concerns about embryo destruction are not only religious; but merely a
healthy respect for the human capacity for doing evil in pursuit of the good.
The search for cures is not the only motive behind ESC research,; many
scientists are interested only in enhancing basic scientific knowledge of such
things as cell signaling, tissue growth and early human development.
Source: Robert P. George and Thomas V. Berg, "Six Stem Cell Facts," Wall Street
Journal, March 14, 2007.
For text:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117384191108736444.html ----
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