On 12 Jan 2017, at 0:03, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Paul Jakma wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Martin Winter wrote:
I think it would be beneficial for everyone to have a open
discussion on
who should be on the list
or not.
Martin, you and I got on well I thought. I respected and trusted you.
Sorry, if this broke. I didn’t see any mistake.
So can you please show myself - and everyone else involved in Quagga
(well, the few you havn't been whispering to) - a modicum of respect,
and be up front about what has been going on?
Sure, we are involved in a fork, based on a different structure on what
we discussed last year and you
blocked for having it implemented with Quagga.
You suggested the fork after all.
We are working on it since approx mid last year (after the discussions
broken down)
You, NetDEF (or whatever other companies you represent), have been
agitating behind the scenes - contacting people in private - for a
fork *for ~1.5 years* now.
1.5 years? I must have missed 1 year of this. Discussions on a fork came
up multiple times, but up to
last summer, there was always some hope to get changes in the current
structure which would speed things up.
First, because of David. [I gather NetDEF, or at least David anyway
(who does he work for again?), has been telling people he was kicked
out, and for no reason he knows of. Which is at odds with the version
of documented reality that I am familiar with].
David works for NetDEF/OpenSourceRouting. Was that ever a question?
And yes, he got kicked out by you (as documented in the past). This was
discussed many times. You’ve allowed
him back as a “sub-maintainer” (or “roundskeeper”) later, but
made a clear distinction between the maintainers
(like you, Greg and Vincent) and him.
I tried to reconcile with "you" (NetDEF? Except, has David *ever*
worked?). I tried to send signals on that. That didn't work out.
Yes, he did great work on Quagga. Check out Git history if you need
details.
Then you managed to rally the agitation of others about the backlog
of patches. (how did that backlog arise? It wasn't under me.).
The fact was that the incoming patch rate was approx 5x to what got in
over years. We needed a way to review
things faster and send back for rework or integrate it. I heard so many
complains from people sending patches
and not getting any feedback for more then a year (if ever).
That was the whole start of the reorg discussion last year.
You've got your fork. Please enjoy it, but please can you stop
messing me around?
You prefer me to withdraw from the Quagga project? Stop my testing? If
the community (not just you)
wishes this, then no issue. No need to fight over this. I do NOT want to
screw with Quagga and I’m
happy to withdraw my (and potentially everyone else’s from
NetDEF/OpenSourceRouting) contribution.
BTW what companies are you or Alistair an officer of? What
compan{y,ies} have David, Christian, etc. been working for the last
couple of years?
Not sure how this is relevant or even a secret. NetDEF (and
OpenSourceRouting is a project of NetDEF)
is the answer to all of this. Never tried to hide this and not sure
where the confusion is?
I assume you're aware I havn't even started to describe what has gone
on.
No, I think I get it that working on a fork is ground for distrust and
exclusion. If this community feels
like we can’t get along, then I do not want to have this fight and
I’m happy to withdraw from Quagga.
Oh, and those things that are not public knowledge are the reason why
I had been so stubborn about sticking to pure-consensus decision
making, and not agreeing to give you majority voting. I had ceased to
trust you (NetDEF, or whatever else). And you didn't do much to
rebuild trust either.
Can you explain this specific “pure-consensus decision”? Consensus
of who?
BTW: For full transparency, would be still good to announce changes like
this to the list.
- Martin
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