Thank you for clarifying that Matthew. I’m obviously asynchronous messaging person.
Jim From: Matthew Wastell Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 12:36 PM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2) Discord is very much like many real time chatting tools from old IRC to modern Slack and even Microsoft teams. Many people don’t thread their topics so you just get everyone talking at once, replies mistaken for a different topic and so on. Discord and chat platforms in general are really throw away messaging platforms, designed for comments in the moment and what is going on that second. Like having a conversation in real life really. If people reply to something from half an hour ago it doesn’t make sense. I’m sure we’ve all had experience of a deep thinker who after being asked something replies half an hour later. Unless they say “in reply to your question about….” It doesn’t make sense. Unless you are forced to thread, (or even given the opportunity to do so easily) it will always be a mess and confuse those who are thinking it’s an asynchronous platform. I think this is why we see a general age or tech-ability split between synchronous and asynchronous messaging platforms. M On 19 Jul 2023, at 11:20, Jim Hearne <j...@quantums.info> wrote: Funny you say that, i joined a Discord group for old computers and just couldn’t make head or tail of it. All the messages just seemed to be in time order with all subjects mixed up, i couldn’t work out any way to follow threads or keep track of what i had replied to. Maybe it was just me but i left after a few days. I will have a look at the Mini matrixs. Jim From: Darren Siepka Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 10:54 AM To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2) I also agree how horrid FB is( I only have an account to use messenger!) The ECU group (speeduino ) I contribute to have moved to discord after a short trial of slack. This is much nicer for conversation than FB. Back to the subject. I also looked for a replacement and was staggered at the quality and the cost of a replacement. So looking elsewhere I found BMW mini matrixes! They are all ally and are a very close fit. The pipes plug in(also alloy) and could be made to use the original body holes if desired ( I am not) .they also are super cheap,even new! I am using one of these along with the matching PTC element in my MK3 box on my updated 2+2 build. The MK2 matrix is similar . On Wed, 19 Jul 2023, 09:34 Jim Hearne, <j...@quantums.info> wrote: Thank you for the picture, I will have one more go at getting the alloy one to fit and if not i will get one of those. In my case the matrix failed while the car was unused for over 5 years. Despite being filled with new orange antifreeze it managed to corrode though the matrix and empty the entire cooling system into the footwells. Luckily there was no carpet fitted. I have also drilled a hole in the lowest part of the lower cover, as you say, you can see the first trace of a leak then instead of waiting until the whole lower cover has filled with water. Jim From: list...@liberator-systems.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 11:41 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2) I agree the alloy matrices give out a toasty heat - I am hoping even if get less heat output I get better reliability. Time will tell. When I get some spare time I may test/dissect the failed alloy ones to see if there is a common fail point. One theory I had on fails was they could be the weakest part of an overheated pressurised cooling system and do not handle overheating very well (had plenty of those). I guess they are pressure/leak tested on manufacture but maybe they don't handle cycles of overheating very well. I forgot to post pic earlier of metal matrix snug fit in box. I have now drilled a few small holes in lowest part of heater box so any dribble from these will hopefully give an early alert to any developing leak and avoid the box filling up like a swmming pool BTDT On Tuesday, 18 July 2023 at 08:51:53 UTC+1 Jim Hearne wrote: Hi John, Thank you for taking the time to keep trying to pass on your message. I agreed with everything you said about facebook but unfortunately it seems to be where everybody is going nowadays. Be interesting to hear your results with the all metal one, i had tried one of those many years ago and the heat output seemed a lot less than the plastic/ aluminium ones. I assumed this was because there are a lot less fins on the all metal ones. Many thanks, Jim From: list...@liberator-systems.co.uk Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 10:54 PM To: Quantum Owners Group Subject: [Quantum Owners] Heater Matrix (Fiesta Mk2) Jim Hearne recently posted a question on the QOC Facebook group about heater matrix. I did try several times to post some comments there but my comments never appeared and I gave up so posting here instead. Just as an aside tbh I find FB incredibly frustrating to use for groups - it is difficult to follow conversations/threads, poor sequencing, endless clicking required, total waste of screen space, poor search... etc. etc. End of FB moan sorry ;) Anyway I compared heater matrices the other day ( alloy/plastic V copper/brass). I am trying the all metal type this time as the the others seem prone to failure. The metal replacement is far more substantial - weighs almost twice as much and bigger in all dimensions. 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