On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 12:54:49 PM UTC, Yuraeitha wrote: > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 12:23:28 PM UTC, JPL wrote: > > For some reason the debian template didn't install when I installed Qubes, > > even though I selected it. No matter I thought, I'll do it manually. > > > > However following the instructions here: > > > > https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/templates/debian/ > > > > namely: > > > > [user@dom0 ~]$ sudo qubes-dom0-update qubes-template-debian-8 > > > > I get "Nothing to do. Complete" > > > > qvm-ls reveals that debian-8 is absent. > > > > Is this instruction out of date or do I need to enable something first? Any > > tips appreciated. > > The template re-install is currently broken, and requires fixing in a future > patch. I've had/seen mixed results with the plain template install too > (rather than re-install), so I suspect it's at least partly broken too? > Either way it's not you, this is something that likely needs patch fixing. > Possibly you can re-install Qubes and hope debian installs (sometimes work?, > see below), or you could try move debian from one of your 3.2. backup > archives, and then update it in Qubes 4 (hope for the best that the 3.2. > template Qubes tools won't get in the way). > > Also, in my own experience, I've installed Qubes 4 RC-2 on now 4-5 different > hardware machines, including various different CPU architecturs, from the > Intel i5 line, Intel M line, and Ryzen 3 1200. I've experienced different > results. > > For example, I never got debian working on my Intel i5 or Intel M > architectures, but for what seems like a paradoxial twist of fate, my Ryzen > architecture installs all templates perfectly fine, including debian-8. > Everything just work here. > > But on my Intel i5 or M processers, all which support minimum Qubes 4 specs > btw, and HVM works just fine, however debian-8 just doesn't work. > > I've had mixed results with Whonix-ws and Whonix-gw on the Intel > architectures too, however fedora worked mostly on all systems. > > Frankly I do not know if its caused by different CPU archtectures, however, > from what I anecdotally experienced, it seems like what made the difference. > > Also if you encounter python errors during the very last stage of Qubes 4 > install, immediately reinstall, no second thoughts. Apparently this happens > for no easy to observe reason too, but I'm able to make the last stage Qubes > configuration work properly by re-installing a few times, try different > settings, mess and push the system a little around, trial and error. > Eventually I got a clean install, with no last stage python errors. I do not > know exactly what made it work, or what caused it, except trial and error, > and trying different install settings, seemed to work. > > Also seen install and system stability outcomes between legacy BIOS and UEFI, > however I did not test it extensively, nor can I confirm if it truly is so. > It's just something I took slight notice of, and in my case, legacy BIOS > seemed to fix my Ryzen system, which now runs Qubes templates flawlessly, > except for the missing CPU features in this kernel, but at least it works. > > Hopefully you can use any of this, but as said, nothing conclusive. But > merely some experience and observation from many Qubes 4 RC-2 installs, on > various different hardware systems.
Thanks for the detailed reply. I have an i7 machine, installing to a USB stick. Strangely, last time I tried (this is my second installation on the same USB having borked the first) debian-8 *did* install so it's obviously a very quirky bug. Whonix installed OK although it seems very slow (everything, not just Tor browser). I don't see this issue reported on Github. Is it worth reporting or are Axon, Marek et al aware? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/872ab2ea-1d27-450a-90ac-239ed538b78c%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.