With all this discussion, I shudder to ask this. I may have missed the answers but the discussion seems to have been about identifying and solving the problem rapidly rather than what maybe is best going forward if all parties agree.
What was the motivation for what RSTUDIO did for their version and the decision to replace what came with utils unless someone very explicitly over-rode them by asking for the original? Is their version better in other ways? Is there a possibility the two implementations may someday merge into something that meets several sets of needs or are they incompatible? Is there agreement that what broke with the substitution is a valid use or is it something that just happens to work on the utils version if not patched? -----Original Message----- From: R-help <r-help-boun...@r-project.org> On Behalf Of Duncan Murdoch Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2024 5:53 AM To: peter dalgaard <pda...@gmail.com> Cc: Jorgen Harmse <jhar...@roku.com>; r-help@r-project.org; Martin Maechler <maech...@stat.math.ethz.ch> Subject: Re: [R] Building Packages. Yes, you're right. The version found in the search list entry for "package:utils" is the RStudio one; the ones found with two or three colons are the original. Duncan Murdoch On 21/03/2024 5:48 a.m., peter dalgaard wrote: > Um, what's with the triple colon? At least on my install, double seems to suffice: > >> identical(utils:::install.packages, utils::install.packages) > [1] TRUE >> install.packages > function (...) > .rs.callAs(name, hook, original, ...) > <environment: 0x7f79e0019860> > > -pd > >> On 21 Mar 2024, at 09:58 , Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.dun...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The good news for Jorgen (who may not be reading this thread any more) is that one can still be sure of getting the original install.packages() by using >> >> utils:::install.packages( ... ) >> >> with *three* colons, to get the internal (namespace) version of the function. >> >> Duncan Murdoch >> >> >> On 21/03/2024 4:31 a.m., Martin Maechler wrote: >>>>>>>> "Duncan Murdoch on Wed, 20 Mar 2024 13:20:12 -0400 writes: >>> > On 20/03/2024 1:07 p.m., Duncan Murdoch wrote: >>> >> On 20/03/2024 12:37 p.m., Ben Bolker wrote: >>> >>> Ivan, can you give more detail on this? I've heard this >>> >>> issue mentioned, but when I open RStudio and run >>> >>> find("install.packages") it returns >>> >>> "utils::install.packages", and running dump() from >>> >>> within RStudio console and from an external "R >>> >>> --vanilla" gives identical results. >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought at one point this might only refer to the GUI >>> >>> package-installation interface, but you seem to be >>> >>> saying it's the install.packages() function as well. >>> >>> >>> >>> Running an up-to-date RStudio on Linux, FWIW -- maybe >>> >>> weirdness only happens on other OSs? >>> >> >>> >> On MacOS, I see this: >>> >> >>> >> > install.packages function (...) .rs.callAs(name, hook, >>> >> original, ...) <environment: 0x7fa7c72a6268> >>> >> >>> >> I get the same results as you from find(). I'm not sure >>> >> what RStudio is doing to give a different value for the >>> >> function than what find() sees. >>> > Turns out that RStudio replaces the install.packages >>> > object in the utils package. >>> > Duncan Murdoch >>> Yes, and this has been the case for several years now, and I >>> have mentioned this several times, too (though some of it >>> possibly not in a public R-* mailing list). >>> And yes, that they modify the package environment >>> as.environment("package:utils") >>> but leave the >>> namespace asNamespace("utils") >>> unchanged, makes it harder to see what's >>> going on (but also has less severe consequences; if they kept to >>> the otherwise universal *rule* that the namespace and package must have the same objects >>> apart from those only in the namespace, >>> people would not even have access to R's true install.packages() >>> but only see the RStudio fake^Hsubstitute.. >>> We are still not happy with their decision. Also >>> help(install.packages) goes to R's documentation of R's >>> install.packages, so there's even more misleading of useRs. >>> Martin >>> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. ______________________________________________ R-help@r-project.org mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE and more, see https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.