Dear all, I've added the following to the Rcmdr installation notes:
---------------- snip ------------- Under Mac OS X 10.9 ("Mavericks"), the R Commander may slow down or occasionally hesitate to display a menu as your session progresses. This behaviour appears to be due to a problem general to the tcltk package running in R.app under Mac OS X 10.9. You can avoid the problem by running R in a terminal window rather than using R.app: o Open the Utilities subfolder inside the Applications folder on your Mac. Click on Terminal.app to open a terminal window. o At the Unix command prompt in the terminal window, type R and press the enter (or return) key. On my Mac, the Unix command prompt looks like this: john-fox-mbp:~ jfox$ o Once R starts up, you'll see the usual initial messages, followed by the R command prompt, > o As usual type library(Rcmdr) at the R prompt and press the enter key. o After you exit from the R Commander, you can safely close the terminal window, whether or not you have exited from R. There really is no reason to prefer running the R Commander in R.app, so using R from a terminal should be perfectly fine. ---------------- snip ------------- And, in the "Mac OS X Trouble-shooting" section: ---------------- snip ------------- If you are using Mac OS X 10.9 ("Mavericks") and the R Commander becomes slow or unresponsive, you can run R and the R Commander in a terminal window on your Mac rather than from R.app. See the installation notes above. ---------------- snip ------------- I hope that this helps, at least for the time-being. If and when the tcltk/R.app problem is solved, I'll remove these instructions. Best, John > -----Original Message----- > From: John Fox [mailto:j...@mcmaster.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:16 PM > To: peter dalgaard; Manuel Spínola > Cc: John Fox; r-sig-mac@r-project.org; urba...@research.att.com; > Jonathan Chapman > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems with Rcmdr via XQuartz on OSX > Mavericks > > Dear Peter, > > Thank you for fielding this question. > > For the time-being, and pending a more general resolution in R.app, > I'll add a note to this effect in the Rcmdr installation notes. > > Best, > John > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:53:11 +0100 > peter dalgaard <pda...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:24 , Manuel Spínola <mspinol...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Thank you very much John. > > > > > > How can I run R and Rcmdr in a terminal window? > > > > > > > [Kids these days...] > > > > Just open the Terminal application (its in the Utilities subfolder > of the Applications folder) and type R at its prompt. Then > library(Rcmdr) at the R prompt. > > > > -pd > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Manuel > > > > > > > > > 2013/11/20 John Fox <j...@mcmaster.ca> > > > > > >> Dear all, > > >> > > >> I was able to reproduce the problem on my Macbook and believe I > have a > > >> solution, which is to run R and the Rcmdr in a terminal window. > When I did > > >> this, the Rcmdr behaved normally. I'll investigate further and > report my > > >> findings back to the list. > > >> > > >> I'm copying this message to Simon Urbanek who maintains R.app in > case he > > >> has insight into the problem. > > >> > > >> I'm also interested whether running R from a terminal window > solves the > > >> problem for others who experienced it. > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> John > > >> > > >> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:19:04 -0500 > > >> "John Fox" <j...@mcmaster.ca> wrote: > > >>> Dear Jonathan et al, > > >>> > > >>> First, thank you to all who responded. As I said, I haven't > noticed this > > >> problem myself, but I'll try again on my Mac later today when I > have some > > >> time and see whether I can reproduce it. I suspect that this is a > > >> tcltk-related issue, not specific to the Rcmdr, but I don't know > that for > > >> sure. > > >>> > > >>> In the meantime, here are two things to try: > > >>> > > >>> (1) Reijo Sund suggested trying to run R and the Rcmdr from the > command > > >> line (i.e., in a terminal window), to see whether the problem > manifests > > >> itself there. The Rcmdr doesn't need R.app. > > >>> > > >>> (2) It's possible that the slowdown is caused by the way that the > Rcmdr > > >> handles R Markdown documents. The overhead gets greater as the > session > > >> proceeds. To test this possibility, you could suppress the R > Markdown tab > > >> (via the Rcmdr Tools -> Options menu, Output tab -- uncheck the > box for R > > >> Markdown) and see whether the problem disappears. > > >>> > > >>> Please let me know what happens. > > >>> > > >>> Best, > > >>> John > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:41:28 -0600 > > >>> Jonathan Chapman <petsr...@icloud.com> wrote: > > >>>> I upgraded to XQuartz 2.7.5, but it still lags. > > >>>> > > >>>> Jonathan M. Chapman, DVM > > >>>> 312-813-1166 > > >>>> petsr...@icloud.com > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Manuel Spínola > <mspinol...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I also have the same experience (like Jonathan) with Rcmdr in > Mac > > >> with Mavericks. After few minutes Rcmdr starts to have time lags. > I > > >> updated to XQuartz 2.7.5 but the behavior is the same. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Manuel > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2013/11/20 Reijo Sund <reijo.s...@helsinki.fi> > > >>>>>> So far I have not had problems with XQuartz, but similar slow- > down > > >> occasionally happens while using tcltk-applications with the Aqua > version > > >> of Tcl/Tk (ActiveTcl 8.6.x binary distribution). Unfortunately I > have not > > >> been able to create a reproducible example. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Anyhow, if XQuartz update wont help, maybe it is worth > checking if > > >> there is any difference while using R.app or command-line R. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - - - > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Prof Brian Ripley <rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Just checking: which version of XQuartz? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Although I have not experienced any problems, people > recommended > > >> updating to 2.7.5 and I got prompted to do that yesterday (it was > released > > >> last week). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On 20/11/2013 11:52, John Fox wrote: > > >>>>>>>> Dear Jonathan, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm afraid that I don't know why you're experiencing this > > >> problem. I upgraded my own Mac to Mavericks and the Rcmdr still > appears to > > >> work fine. Also, no one else has reported this problem to me, > which of > > >> course doesn't mean that no one else has experienced it. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I don't doubt that something is wrong on your system but I > don't > > >> know what it might be. You've already reinstalled all of the > relevant > > >> software, which is what I would have suggested. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm copying this response to the R Mac OS X email list in > case > > >> someone who reads the list has a suggestion or, perhaps, has also > > >> experienced the problem. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I'm sorry that I can't be of more help at this time. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> John > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:19:54 -0600 > > >>>>>>>> Jonathan Chapman <petsr...@icloud.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Dr. Fox, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I am an MPH student at the University of Minnesota. I was > > >> referred to you by Dr. Ann Brearley because I am having issues > running > > >> Rcmdr in XQuartz since upgrading to OSX Mavericks. Rcmdr runs > slowly, > > >> more-so as a lag, after an initial 1-2 minutes of use. Prior to > that 1-2 > > >> minutes of use and the subsequent lag in performance, Rcmdr runs > perfectly > > >> fine via XQuartz. Once closing out XQuartz and restarting it, > Rcmdr runs > > >> fine until after 1-2 minutes of use when the lag sets in again. > > >>>>>>>>> Ive tried to remedy the situation prior to contacting you. > > >> First, I reinstalled XQuartz. When that failed to solve the > problem, I > > >> reinstalled XQuartz along with R and Rcmdr. That attempt also > failed. I > > >> do not know what else to do or who/where else to turn. > > >>>>>>>>> Do you have any incite? Have you heard of anyone else > > >> encountering this problem? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Jonathan M. Chapman, DVM > > >>>>>>>>> 312-813-1166 > > >>>>>>>>> petsr...@icloud.com > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > >>>>>> R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > > >>>>>> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Manuel Spínola, Ph.D. > > >>>>> Instituto Internacional en Conservación y Manejo de Vida > Silvestre > > >>>>> Universidad Nacional > > >>>>> Apartado 1350-3000 > > >>>>> Heredia > > >>>>> COSTA RICA > > >>>>> mspin...@una.ac.cr > > >>>>> mspinol...@gmail.com > > >>>>> Teléfono: (506) 2277-3598 > > >>>>> Fax: (506) 2237-7036 > > >>>>> Personal website: Lobito de río > > >>>>> Institutional website: ICOMVIS > > >> > > >> ------------------------------------------------ > > >> John Fox > > >> McMaster University > > >> Hamilton, Ontario, Canada > > >> http://socserv.mcmaster.ca/jfox/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > *Manuel Spínola, Ph.D.* > > > Instituto Internacional en Conservación y Manejo de Vida Silvestre > > > Universidad Nacional > > > Apartado 1350-3000 > > > Heredia > > > COSTA RICA > > > mspin...@una.ac.cr > > > mspinol...@gmail.com > > > Teléfono: (506) 2277-3598 > > > Fax: (506) 2237-7036 > > > Personal website: Lobito de río > <https://sites.google.com/site/lobitoderio/> > > > Institutional website: ICOMVIS <http://www.icomvis.una.ac.cr/> > > > > > > [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > > > -- > > Peter Dalgaard, Professor, > > Center for Statistics, Copenhagen Business School > > Solbjerg Plads 3, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark > > Phone: (+45)38153501 > > Email: pd....@cbs.dk Priv: pda...@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac