Re: [racebase] Re: Penetrometer readings from August 1

[Fords]

Lordship,   Time and speed ratings originated in UK, pre WWII, and was applied to turf racing long before Ragozin adopted it in USA in the 50s. Phil Bull , co-founder of Timeform, made several £millions ( at a time when a good house cost £500) from his timefigures alone. It is not using time alone, however, it is using, pace, class, wind and going, fitness etc adjustments in a proper balance , then applying that data properly to future races - all a bit hard on the brain and missed out by those who want automatic selections. It works in UK and Ireland, so unless races are all run at a crawl, I can't see why it cannot work in NZ.   Robert   ----- Original Message ----- From: Lordship To: racebase@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [racebase] Re: Penetrometer readings from August 1 You are so right Peter Totally aimed at "Holding Hands" with Aussie. As for speed ratings we will agree to disagree It woks wonderfully well in America where conditions are made to order for such a thing. After all, that is where the speed ratings first originated, and with good reason Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Harrop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <racebase@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [racebase] Re: Penetrometer readings from August 1 > I'll make a bit of a case. > On Firm-Easy tracks over 8636 races (to the beginning of 2003 - havn't > updated this stat for a while). Average out the last 4 times run over the > distance on Firm or Easy tracks by each horse in the race and take the > horse > with the best average time (no track speed adjustments). > The stats are : > Races : 8636 > Wins : 1410 > S.Rate : 16.3% > Divvies : $8501.85 > Profit : -1.55% > > Far better than the -15% loss of the average punter. > But I agree. There doesn't seem much point in changing the track > conditions > categories as it is merely cosmetic. Probably has something to do with the > merging of pools further down the track I guess. > Peter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lordship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <racebase@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [racebase] Re: Penetrometer readings from August 1 > > >> Sarcasm, I love it >> Your point being ???? >> Make a valid case >> >> Lordship >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "klp_wanganui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <racebase@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:23 PM >> Subject: [racebase] Re: Penetrometer readings from August 1 >> >> >>> Thanks for that (your) Lordship :-) >>> >>> I've just deleted all my speed records and speed analysis systems >>> from >>> my database. >>> >>> --- In racebase@yahoogroups.com, "Lordship" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Winning times, never have been, >>>> and never will be a guide to picking winners in THIS COUNTRY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/racebase/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.