Thanks, I'll give those a try. The navagation_tags looks very nice, though I think I'll have to tweak it to add an option to ignore certain pages. Say if the page has a page part of no-nav ignore it and it's children. But otherwise it looks to be exactly what I end up building via 2 snippets. This would be much neater and less prone to the end user monkeying with it and messing it up.
Bob
