Thanks Pat,
I'll see about shooting him across some questions when I have a minute.
Regards,
Luke
On 9 June 2010 21:39, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote:
> It was Mark Coleman <[email protected]> who ran Rails Underground. I'm
> sure he'd be happy to offer some pointers.
>
> --
> Pat
>
> On 09/06/2010, at 3:50 PM, Daryl Manning wrote:
>
>> Pat is right BTW... this is a lot of work. But, I still think it's a worthy
>> endeavour and chances are you can also loop in people from NZ as well
>> (flight is closer than Perth... =] ).
>>
>> When RailsConf Europe was cancelled, someone put their hand up to create
>> Rails Underground in London, which IMHO was actually a better conference at
>> the end of the day thatn the RailsConf Europe that had been in Berlin the
>> year before.
>>
>> I've forgotten the guy's name (google is your friend) but he had a nice
>> presentation on how to bring together your own conference and would probably
>> be happy to give the wisdom of his experience. At least when I talked to him
>> he was really open to sharing.
>>
>> ciao !
>> Daryl.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Jason Warner <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I would be interested, but I will actually have to be in the country
>> to do it (moving to Adelaide in late August).
>>
>> To Korny's point below, I am still active in the "ruby" and "rails"
>> community not because of either ruby or rails (I still program in
>> both) but because I tend to get exposed to other interested tech from
>> the community. I first learned of Erlang (which I am using to build a
>> massive system for my current employer) from a rails user group some
>> years ago. My first exposure to NoSQL (before someone lamely called it
>> NoSQL) was a rails group and even iPhone and now iPad.
>>
>> Those are the things that keep me coming back to the Ruby and Rails
>> communities, not the latest updates to Bundler or the latest test
>> framework...Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> jason
>>
>> On Jun 8, 7:09 pm, Korny Sietsma <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Another point to ponder (that has also been raised before, but is worth
>> > re-raising IMHO) - what technologies would such a conference cover? And
>> > related to this, what would you call it?
>> >
>> > The "Rails" community now includes a lot of people who do very little Ruby
>> > on Rails - or even if they use it to pay the bills, it's not necessarily
>> > what makes them enthusiastic. It's a useful brand for the community, and I
>> > wouldn't consider renaming RailsCamp to anything else, but a conference is
>> > a
>> > bit different, as you want (presumably) to attract speakers and attendees
>> > from outside the core community.
>> >
>> > You could do a "Ruby" conference, but then would you include:
>> > - Node.js / CoffeeScript / other neo-javascript stuff
>> > - Mongodb / Couchdb / other NoSQL stuff
>> > - Html5/Css3/Browser-land stuff
>> > - Iphone / Ipad / Icrutch / Android / Other phone stuff
>> > - Erlang / Clojure / Ioke / F# / Go / Other poly-language stuff
>> >
>> > I guess you could restrict it to Ruby/Rails - but I for one would love a
>> > conference that covers a bit more.
>> >
>> > Yow! is the closest fit we have, but it's kind of pricey for the average
>> > developer. (Still looks awesome - take a look at the
>> > speakershttp://yowaustralia.com.au/melbourne/speakers/index.html)
>> >
>> > - Korny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Pat Allan <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > > As Ben's pointed out, this isn't the first time the topic has been
>> > > raised... I'm often quite vocal about it, so apologies to those who've
>> > > heard
>> > > me go on about this before, but here's a few things to consider:
>> >
>> > > * Putting on a Rails Camp is a lot of work. Putting on a conference is a
>> > > level beyond that. Who is going to pay for your time? I definitely think
>> > > whoever runs the conference (and don't try and do it yourself - you need
>> > > a
>> > > small team!) should be paid at least something for putting it together,
>> > > but
>> > > conferences are also most certainly not money-making ventures.
>> >
>> > > * Speaking of Rails Camps - we have two of these each year. Granted,
>> > > they're a little different, and not everyone's cup of tea, but I think
>> > > it's
>> > > still worth asking: why do we need a conference? I'm not saying we
>> > > definitely don't need one, but just want to get the thinking laid out.
>> >
>> > > * Many regional conferences are quite informal affairs - something I feel
>> > > Rails Camps cover quite neatly. So, if a conference was to happen, I
>> > > think
>> > > it should be a grand and special event - more like a FutureRuby or
>> > > NordicRuby than a RailsConf. Great food, catered parties, quality
>> > > speakers.
>> > > Especially if we want to attract overseas speakers and attendees. This is
>> > > not the cheap path, though.
>> >
>> > > For what it's worth, I've gotten to several conferences over the last few
>> > > years, and FutureRuby was far and away the best one. Happy to expand
>> > > further
>> > > on why if anyone's truly interested.
>> >
>> > > * There are a lot of Ruby and Rails conferences around the world already.
>> > > Europe had four in May! Yes, we are pretty remote, so most of us don't
>> > > get
>> > > to these conferences often (or at all), but the same will apply for those
>> > > outside of Australia who we'd like to have come along to our conference.
>> >
>> > > * The previous point is important because a good part of the Australian
>> > > Ruby community see each other regularly as it is, via monthly meets and
>> > > Rails Camps. We've got a pretty amazing community here, and I want to
>> > > share
>> > > that with the world - but it's not going to be easy.
>> >
>> > > I don't want to put an end to these discussions, because I think there's
>> > > great potential for an amazing event, and I'd love to help out, but I'm
>> > > also
>> > > wary that with regular Rails Camps, we've got community events kinda
>> > > covered
>> > > already, and want to make sure there's a need. And, should this happen, I
>> > > just think the target from the start should be to run something a cut
>> > > above
>> > > normal. Hell, a cut above great.
>> >
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>> >
>> > > On 09/06/2010, at 10:48 AM, Luke Chadwick wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Hey Everyone,
>> > > > I discovered, in a discussion last night at the Sydney Meetup,
>> > > > that there has never been a Ruby/Rails Conference in Australia. I find
>> > > > this to be sad, and want to rectify the situation.
>> >
>> > > > I am happy to take a hand in starting to organize an event if there is
>> > > > interest in actually seeing it happen.
>> >
>> > > > To get the ball rolling, can I get a show of hands who would attend a
>> > > > RubyConf in Sydney?
>> >
>> > > > Regards,
>> >
>> > > > Luke
>> >
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