Stonie great question! Recruiters who were transparent about what they charged, and could justify it, would win a lot of ground, I think.
Cheers, Nicholas On Sunday, July 15, 2012 11:57:31 PM UTC+10, Stonie wrote: > > Ok Ash, > > Two simple questions: > > - *Permanent developer:* 100K pa - what is your placement fee? > - *Contract developer:* Client Pays 100ph total (including all on > costs) what is the developer paid ph? > > Regards, > Stonie. > > On 13 July 2012 16:02, Ashley P <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Chances are they might be :) >> >> But we aren't all bad! >> >> If you are a Ruby developer chances are you've probably seen my name >> before either on Seek, at Ruby meet-ups or on one of those pesky >> Linked-in invites I send around. I really like the Ruby community and have >> a passion for working with developers to find them cool jobs. >> >> That being said recruitment gets a bad name especially amongst the Ruby >> community. I'm here to defend our reputation but also to acknowledge our >> flaws. >> >> Many recruiters do have no idea when it comes to development roles. They >> throw out buzz words like 'Apache' or 'Object Oriented' to make it look >> like they know what they are talking about. >> >> That being said a recruiter can often be of use. They can present >> opportunities that you wouldn't have heard about, discuss potential career >> movements or even help with your resume and skills training programs. >> >> Sure as a quality developer you could probably find a good job yourself. >> But are you sure it's the best job!!? Use your own networks in addition to >> a recruiter to expand the pool of jobs and find yourself in the best job >> you can! >> * >> * >> *Tips on dealing with recruiters:* >> >> - 1. Don't only use a recruiter. *Use your own networks as well.*Come up >> with an many opportunities as you can yourself and then use a >> recruiter or 2 to expand your opportunities >> - 2. *Don't be pushed around on Salary/Rate*. Know what you're worth. >> Be open with your salary with a friend or former colleague to know what >> your worth and stick to it. (A common tactic is to ask people what they >> were on previously and hold them to a salary near this. You shouldn't >> fall >> for it. Be honest about what you were previously on but let the recruiter >> / >> hiring manager know that due to your research you believe the market rate >> to be X and that you are hoping for a figure around that mark.) >> - 3. *Ask who the client is*. Often a recruiter will want to chat to >> you a bit first however, it is totally within your right to ask who the >> recruiters client is after an initial chat to determine your suitability >> - 4. Remember *your in control of the process. *If you don't like a >> specific recruiter don't use him/her. In fact it's your right to call up >> and say I don't want you representing me to X. >> >> *Can a recruiter really help me?* >> >> - Yes and no. It really depends on the relationships the recruiter >> has built. >> - If the recruiter is blindly sending CV's around town without having >> met the hiring manager they really won't be of any use to you. >> - That being said if they have built a strong relationship with the >> hiring manager their word often will decide whether or not you get an >> interview :). They can also act as a beneficial middle ground to assist >> in >> negotiations and getting things moving! >> >> >> *Recruitment Rates* >> >> - Are recruitment rates too high? Well honestly yes they are fairly >> high but we are running a business and as you can all understand we need >> to >> make a profit! >> - Also people don't realise the amount of effort we actually go to in >> providing a short-list. Many developers think I just simply called them, >> sent their resume to the company and got a massive cheque. What they >> don't >> realise is that to get that one person a job I had to look at over 400 >> resumes, speak to over 80 people and all for a 1/3 shot in actually >> filling >> a position. I work 8-6 and I'm a fairly quick worker! >> - That being said yes some recruitment rates are too high and >> companies need to be smart on who they use. >> >> Anyway if your looking for a recruiter who loves the Ruby community and >> who actually cares about your career please give me a call. 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