Nice reply Ash. On Monday, July 16, 2012 11:46:40 AM UTC+10, Ashley P wrote: > > 15% of the salary package for permanent roles and approximately a 15% > margin for contractors. :) > > A lot of contractors think we don't do anything for them. This is actually > true we don't. > > The service we provide isn't paid by the contractor, it's paid by the > company. > > The margin we make is payment for the head-hunting/short-listing process > for the companies requirement. If a new contract comes in I'll often work > back until 8 trying to call as many people as I can to see if they are > interested in the role. > > It is surprisingly hard to find good developers who are open to new > opportunities! :) Most are usually happy already! > > A common misconception is that once the developer starts he goes. "Hey how > come your taking 15%-20% of my pay-check". Seems fair enough at first sight > however, we need to get paid for the 100 other people we called trying to > interest them in the role! > > On Monday, 16 July 2012 09:13:31 UTC+10, Nicholas Faiz wrote: > >> Ah, the home loan example was left unfleshed out. >> >> One of my first programming jobs was in the home loans sector, and I saw >> how much mortgage brokers were making then (we're talking $500 an hour, >> etc.), without transparency. Since then some regulation has occurred, and >> mortgage brokers now openly state how they make their money (a sales >> commission structure from banks, I believe). >> >> >> >> On Monday, July 16, 2012 9:11:10 AM UTC+10, Nicholas Faiz wrote: >>> >>> Philoye, >>> >>> Amusing. :) >>> >>> But there is a big difference here. Recruiters offer their services to >>> coders (and potential employers). So I think transparency is fair there. In >>> that sense, it's somewhat similar to speaking with a mortgage broker, who >>> will act as a middle man and find you the best loan. >>> >>> I'm happy to explain what I earn to an employer, or a recruiter, and to >>> go through it and justify it. This is a somewhat moot point, as they have >>> to find out anyway. I think it'd be *terrific* if I saw a similar >>> transparency from a recruter. >>> >>> And note, this doesn't mean Ash has to explain things en masse to the >>> group. I'd just think it'd be a reform of sorts if recruiters began be >>> explaining how they take their cut, as middle men often do. It'd be a >>> factor for me when deciding to deal with one. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nicholas >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, July 16, 2012 8:31:28 AM UTC+10, philoye wrote: >>>> >>>> Nicholas and Stonie, >>>> >>>> Something got cut off on your emails. >>>> You know, the part where you post your hourly rate/salary in a public >>>> forum, along with its justification for us all to judge. >>>> >>>> p. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16/07/2012, at 8:17 AM, Nicholas Faiz wrote: >>>> >>>> > Stonie great question! Recruiters who were transparent about what >>>> they charged, and could justify it, would win a lot of ground, I think. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15/07/2012, at 11:57 PM, Andrew Stone wrote: >>>> >>>> > • Permanent developer: 100K pa - what is your placement fee? >>>> > • Contract developer: Client Pays 100ph total (including all >>>> on costs) what is the developer paid ph? >>>> >>>>
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