I see where this could wind up going. It is too dangerous to take a group of
boys out on a campout. Danger lurking around every corner. I think we'll
have to cancel all future campouts and evn some day camps.
Yes I've seen this actually come down in youth groups and other outposts. We
buy into the fear factor and wind up making it impossible to go out and have
any fun.
Anyone else see this happen?
Bob Simons

For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give
you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy..


> I was out of town during the last week and got home Tuesday at 1:30am.
Read
> through most of these e-mails concerning this subject.  I am not going to
> debate whether the boy should or should not have put the shoes back on.  I
> am not even going to debate if he should have been spanked.  I would like
to
> ask everyone a question.  Our MAIN priority for every young man in our
> charge on a campout is the boys safety.  I have not seen this mentioned.
It
> was said that the creek was infested with cow manure.  Very dangerous from
a
> standpoint of bacteria and problems that it could have caused the young
man
> if it would have gotten into his eyes, nose, or mouth.  No, he wouldn't
> drink it but it was all over his clothing (I am assuming) and he could of
> just rubbed his eyes or something.  I would be curious to know what you
> think about this.  I think my first reaction would be for the boys safety
> and get him out of them clothes.
> Keith Brooks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lump'a Coal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:20 PM
> Subject: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy..
>
>
> >
> >
> > Here's the situation...
> >
> > "Drew" is a 12 year old from a abusive home of
> > chemical dependent parents, and has been adopted
> > by his Grandparents.
> >
> > He's a member of Troop 328
> >
> > On the last camp, during the service project,
> > in front of everyone...
> >
> > "Drew" fell in the creek that ran through the blackberry
> > vines we were clearing.  The cattle are free to make
> > that creek a muddy mess, and I have no doubt his shoes
> > smelled like cow manure.
> >
> > Even so, he was told to put his wet shoes back on. (1)
> >
> > Drew replied: "But my shoes are wet!"
> >
> > His Grandpa said: (2)"Drew.. put your shoes on, now"
> >
> > Drew replied: "But my shoes are wet"
> >
> > Granpa:(3) "Drew, listen.. put your shoes on"
> >
> > Drew: "No,my shoes are wet!!!"
> >
> > Grandpa:(4) "Drew, there is a reason you must put your shoes on..
> >           Do it now!"
> >
> > Drew:"But my shoes are wet"
> >
> > Grandpa: (5)"Drew, put your shoes on and go back to camp"
> >
> > Drew:"No... my shoes are wet!"
> >
> > Grandpa:(6) "I'm not asking son, I telling you to PUT ON
> >            THOSE SHOES!"
> >
> > At this point---
> > An "Adult Leader" asked Grandpa if he could help drew
> > understand what he needed to do...
> >
> > Grandpa: "Sure..anything to bring that kid to reason"
> >
> > The "Adult leader" led Drew with his shoes behind a bush
> > and sternly lectured him on listening to authority and
> > respecting his Grandpa, then... *Spanked his butt!
> >
> > *Drew, put his shoes on and ran crying back to camp....
> >
> > Question-
> > 1. In "Line" with what you would do?
> >
> > 2.Out of line with your ethics?
> >
> > -=*=-
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
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> > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself,
> > and both in the .....cause!
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