This made me so mad I wanted to cry!  How dare anyone do that to a boy!
Were it my son I know there would be another person on God's green earth who
would know the exact truth about the wrath of a real redhead!

Cmdr. Kelly

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Subject: RE: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy..


You go girl!

Michael


In a message dated Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:26:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Gist,
Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> We try to discourage boys from leaving the meetings.  However, these are
> BOYS.  Allowing them to wet themselves is humiliating and inexcusable, not
> to mention the rash you inflicting on them.  Don't bother trying to coerce
> me.  It won't work.  Having a son with a paralyzed colon makes me
INCREDIBLY
> biased on this issue.  Meaning if my son were not allowed to leave the
room
> and he had a BM in his pants, I would remove him instantly from that
> commander's care.  No questions asked.  Then I would go straight to a
> meeting with the Senior Commander and the Pastor.  There is no reason for
> such behavior.  None what so ever.  Ever heard of the Buddy System?
>  
> Sorry if I come on strong, but I have been dealing with this issue for 11
> years.  Every time I do my son's laundry I am reminded of my son's
condition
> and I pray over it cause I know how much it hurts and shames him.  You
don't
> know if there is a similar situation with the any one of your boys.  Not
all
> parents talk about it because your child will beg you not too.  
>  
> Cmdr. Kelly
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 1:35 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [RR] Spank'n the sassy boy..
> 
> 
> It might be wet shoes this time and no life preserver the next. I had 2
boys
> think that life preservers weren't necessary and cumbersome. I made them
get
> out and walk halfway around the lake to get back to camp. They were mad at
> me but I don't want dead bodies on my outings.
> I do know of a man who died from coral poisioning from not wearing shoes
> while walking on coral. You never know!
> Sure its extreme thinking but disobedience has to start and stop
somewhere.
> I think that his grandfather had some wisdom at least more than some kid.
> Thats where respect comes in. My Dad taught me respect when I said
something
> that was disrespectful. I hope that I can teach my boys the same thing but
> that seems to be a hard job because of what a lot of adults are preaching.
> "Question Authority" is unscriptural. Its black & white to me -not even
> grey. The only possible exception would be what we already talked about
> concerning the gospel, a higher authority.
> My true story about my own son is just one example of disobedience that
> could have been deadly. I'm not one of those who believes in avoiding any
> kind of fun because it might be dangerous but I also think good judgement
> can save an outing from going bad.
>  
> I had an incident in Rangers where a boy wet himself because he wasn't
> allowed to leave the room and he didn't go at the beginning when everyone
> else did. The Dad was irate at the incident but my question was to him
"Why
> weren't you in there helping the commander so that someone could have
stayed
> in the room with the rest of the boys." He said he was busy...too busy to
be
> there when his son needed him..I guess.
> The Commander was running it all alone.
> Passing the blame is all to common place, these days.
> Bob Simons
>  
> For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD,
> "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give 
> you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would rather bruise a boys backside than have to explain why their son
is
> dead.  I'm sure you all know what I mean if you think for a minute of the
> many
> dangers on a campout.  I have seen kids disobey and had some close calls
> including my own sons. A coffin doesn't give you a second chance to do
what
> God tells you to do.  OBEY.  I have some devotions about this very
> thing-anyone want to hear one?  Bob Simons
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't realize that not putting on wet shoes would kill a boy.
> 
> Let's hear the devotion.
> 
> Michael 
> 
> 
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