--- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Duane, > I'm just saying that RR is supposed to be focused around Jesus and the > Holy > Spirit. Its up to the S. Commander and other commanders to follow Him > and > his leading.
I'm not going to be-labor the point- *But recite the RR Pledge- and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not mentioned<G> The Pledge says that we are to do our best... to serve God, Church and my Fellowman ect. Mayby my role here is to be a burr under the saddle<G> It's my opinion that the evangelical portion of RRangers, needs to match the true simple heart of the boys, at their forulative ages. I feel that works best from a more suttle and reflective "whole view".. such as the quality of instruction found in a positive Sunday School class. Royal Rangers was not to be the replacement for Pastor and the church service with alter call. > Boy Scouts is not usually God centered and Holy Spirit led unless it is > plugged into a church. Yup.. well read me right. Later in life, ask Men who are successful who they remember with respect that influenced them for good.. and you hear it was a *Teacher who cared, a Coach who spent time, a Scout leader who worked with them.. ect. It's also Dad.. but could be a crazy Uncle who builds sand rails, or a Grand pa who still lives in WW2<G> My point is that we are to *Influence... The job of the boy is to *reflect.. then choose. > Flesh can always get in the way but thats part of the learning process > even > for us older boys. > Don't you think thats true? Abso-lutey.. *I went to the official source for that question.. His name is Dr.Charles Crabtree, and we struck a conversation about just who qualifyes to be a AoG "Great White father"<G> Answer: He does!<G> *I asked: "How can we work for Christ and not do it out of our flesh?" He answered: "From birth to death we are in the flesh.. all we do and say is flesh. Even when we pray in the spirit, we are flesh.. Lot's of good people worry that they are "in the flesh".. They are!<G> Don't worry, God has a plan for you after the flesh<G> That's what is important. -=A=- > Bob Simons > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I always say that the difference between BSa & RR is Jesus!! > > > > I know the intent of what you say is "divine guidence" and > > I'm afraid, when you look at every other organization dealing > > with teaching skills to youth for goals.. there is some measure > > of fleshly planning and logistical leadership. School,sports, > > music,art, and the world of work. > > > > You must then mean that RR is not interested in anything but > > Jesus, so any effort to organize, lead or prepare productive > > meeting is less than Ideal<G> > > > > It must be, that what we allow is parents to "think" that RR > > is a christian scout program, but in truth it is a 100% spirit > > led evangelical outreach, and the ballance of "program" is but > > a "hook" to lure boys to a salvation moment. The true index of > > our success is the numbers of boys we lead to the Lord. > > > > Let's say you have a room of wild kids.. > > > > Jesus loves them when I can't<G> *Do I just raise my hands and > > pray in the Holy Ghost untill they become convicted of their short > > commings and yeild to the Holyspirit? > > > > Following this "yeilding" and the heartfelt prayer meeting.. > > The boy returns to his school and home to live in the flesh > > and be challanged to rise by his bootstraps.. Our advise to > > him is to simply read the Bible and pray.. "Trust in the Lord, > > and lean not on yur understanding" > > > > Later, when he finds the "learning curve" steep and he does not > > hold copeing skills, or has not discovered ethics of character, > > or successful Leadership experiance.. *That wasn't what RR was > > about? > > > > Just wondering- > > -=A=- > > > > > > > When the Holy Spirit comes into the classroom we can forget our > > > curriculum > > > and follow Him and watch the kids do the squirming! He has a way of > > > touching > > > them like we never could. > > > Bob Simons > > > > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:55 AM > > > Subject: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (RR Vs. BSA) > > > > > > > > *I shared what I posted with T328's SPL (RR Sr.Guide position) and > > > > he brought it up in a PLC (Patrol leader council) and is going to > > > > leave back some of his staff next week as "headknockers" and > decorum > > > > enforcement<G> > > > > > > > > IT seems.. what the troop is trying to do is plan ahead of events > > > > so that the "event/camp" time, is not done off the cuff, but that > > > > the boys know what is needed and expected, to shorten up exactly > > > > what I found myself faceing in the meeting..with the younger > scouts. > > > > > > > > Some boys who have not yet discovered that the real "game" is > > > > useing Scouting to advance in character.. Use the time to play > > > > "thier game" that they use in school and at home to get attention > > > > and remain ignorant<G> they use every vice to mock and taunt or > > > > outright hit someone right out in the open! This flagrent > violation > > > > of the Scout Law seems of "little concern to them" for the game is > > > > not being a member.. but to be a Hellcat! > > > > > > > > > > > > *They "masterfully" fed me to the tigers<G> > > > > > > > > *Following reporting to the SPL.. (not the Scoutmaster BTW) > > > > I was encouraged, and the SPL staff gave me a great resource for > > > > next week's meeting.. > > > > > > > > What's the real difference between RR and BSA? > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > *Not much<G> > > > > ...and of what is different, it isn't found in young boys<G> > > > > > > > > The "difference" I discovered on day two, was that there was a > plan > > > > in place, and I had resources availible to come back and do > "better" > > > > next week. *All that did.. was restore my confidence and re-kindle > > > > MORALE ..that as we know is the index of effective Leadership! > > > > > > > > Cdr.Jen said.. "Oh tuff night, yah gonna quit?" > > > > > > > > *Someday.. but not because I was overrun one night.. > > > > I'll wait till they back a truck over me<G> > > > > > > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > > > > --------------********+********-------------------- > > > > Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > > > > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > > > > and both in the .....cause! > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! 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