Yup, thats right we are all of the flesh but we don't have to follow it all the time. "For as many as are led by the Spirit, they are the Sons of God". God gave me revelation one day about this stuff that we do in Rangers-I mean the camping, hiking, knot tying, stuff. I wanted to start a Christian magazine about outdoors stuff. I came up with name Camping, Hunting, And Fishing Fellowship. I wrote it out and noticed that the first letter spelled out Chaff. Wait a minute I said, chaff isn't a good name. So I prayed about it and the very next Sunday our pastor talked about the job of the chaff. I almost fell off the pew. He said the chaff is important! I didn't expect that. Yes, the chaff is the tools that are used to bring the precious seed into this world or to this world. That means whatever we use to bring the gospel to these boys is only the chaff-not the end to the means. The seed is the final outcome-the harvest. At the harvest the chaff will be blown away by the wind. Everything else will go by the wayside. now I understand, I told God. The chaff is OK if it brings them to you! Yes HE confimed. There are many people who don't know me who do good things but their hearts are not seeking after me and in the end their works will be blown away and htey have nothing to show for it. If you seek after me and lead others to seek me then in the end when the works are blown away there will be precious seed left. So to me, Rangers is not a pursuit of better knot tyers and smart campers but men whos hearts will turn and seek after God. Isn't that really whats its all about. I hope so. This bickering over little petty issues of how we do is very minor. Its not how we do it but why we do it and if it brings about the desired results of leading boys to Christ than the Father will say well done thou good and faithful servant. The arguement that came up over how to treat the bully should not have been an arguement. We are all different and will handle each situation differently. God knows that and created us that way. Your way is not better than your brother or sisters to anyone except you. God looks at the fruit. Do it your way with all your heart but do it as unto the Lord. If God has led you Duane into the BSA to be His voice than that is good-go for it. Be the best voice that you can be for Him. Lead them boys to the source-Jesus. Nothing else matters in the next life. Bob Simons
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Duane, > > I'm just saying that RR is supposed to be focused around Jesus and the > > Holy > > Spirit. Its up to the S. Commander and other commanders to follow Him > > and > > his leading. > > I'm not going to be-labor the point- *But recite the RR Pledge- > and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not mentioned<G> The Pledge > says that we are to do our best... to serve God, Church and > my Fellowman ect. > > Mayby my role here is to be a burr under the saddle<G> > > It's my opinion that the evangelical portion of RRangers, needs > to match the true simple heart of the boys, at their forulative > ages. I feel that works best from a more suttle and reflective > "whole view".. such as the quality of instruction found in a > positive Sunday School class. Royal Rangers was not to be the > replacement for Pastor and the church service with alter call. > > > > Boy Scouts is not usually God centered and Holy Spirit led unless it is > > plugged into a church. > > Yup.. well read me right. > > Later in life, ask Men who are successful who they remember with respect > that influenced them for good.. and you hear it was a *Teacher who cared, > a Coach who spent time, a Scout leader who worked with them.. ect. > > It's also Dad.. but could be a crazy Uncle who builds sand rails, or > a Grand pa who still lives in WW2<G> > > My point is that we are to *Influence... > The job of the boy is to *reflect.. then choose. > > > > Flesh can always get in the way but thats part of the learning process > > even > > for us older boys. > > Don't you think thats true? > > Abso-lutey.. > > *I went to the official source for that question.. > > His name is Dr.Charles Crabtree, and we struck a conversation > about just who qualifyes to be a AoG "Great White father"<G> > > Answer: He does!<G> > > *I asked: > "How can we work for Christ and not do it out of our flesh?" > > He answered: "From birth to death we are in the flesh.. all > we do and say is flesh. Even when we pray in the spirit, we are flesh.. > Lot's of good people worry that they are "in the flesh".. They are!<G> > Don't worry, God has a plan for you after the flesh<G> That's what > is important. > > -=A=- > > Bob Simons > > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:21 AM > > Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I always say that the difference between BSa & RR is Jesus!! > > > > > > I know the intent of what you say is "divine guidence" and > > > I'm afraid, when you look at every other organization dealing > > > with teaching skills to youth for goals.. there is some measure > > > of fleshly planning and logistical leadership. School,sports, > > > music,art, and the world of work. > > > > > > You must then mean that RR is not interested in anything but > > > Jesus, so any effort to organize, lead or prepare productive > > > meeting is less than Ideal<G> > > > > > > It must be, that what we allow is parents to "think" that RR > > > is a christian scout program, but in truth it is a 100% spirit > > > led evangelical outreach, and the ballance of "program" is but > > > a "hook" to lure boys to a salvation moment. The true index of > > > our success is the numbers of boys we lead to the Lord. > > > > > > Let's say you have a room of wild kids.. > > > > > > Jesus loves them when I can't<G> *Do I just raise my hands and > > > pray in the Holy Ghost untill they become convicted of their short > > > commings and yeild to the Holyspirit? > > > > > > Following this "yeilding" and the heartfelt prayer meeting.. > > > The boy returns to his school and home to live in the flesh > > > and be challanged to rise by his bootstraps.. Our advise to > > > him is to simply read the Bible and pray.. "Trust in the Lord, > > > and lean not on yur understanding" > > > > > > Later, when he finds the "learning curve" steep and he does not > > > hold copeing skills, or has not discovered ethics of character, > > > or successful Leadership experiance.. *That wasn't what RR was > > > about? > > > > > > Just wondering- > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > When the Holy Spirit comes into the classroom we can forget our > > > > curriculum > > > > and follow Him and watch the kids do the squirming! He has a way of > > > > touching > > > > them like we never could. > > > > Bob Simons > > > > > > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:55 AM > > > > Subject: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (RR Vs. BSA) > > > > > > > > > > *I shared what I posted with T328's SPL (RR Sr.Guide position) and > > > > > he brought it up in a PLC (Patrol leader council) and is going to > > > > > leave back some of his staff next week as "headknockers" and > > decorum > > > > > enforcement<G> > > > > > > > > > > IT seems.. what the troop is trying to do is plan ahead of events > > > > > so that the "event/camp" time, is not done off the cuff, but that > > > > > the boys know what is needed and expected, to shorten up exactly > > > > > what I found myself faceing in the meeting..with the younger > > scouts. > > > > > > > > > > Some boys who have not yet discovered that the real "game" is > > > > > useing Scouting to advance in character.. Use the time to play > > > > > "thier game" that they use in school and at home to get attention > > > > > and remain ignorant<G> they use every vice to mock and taunt or > > > > > outright hit someone right out in the open! This flagrent > > violation > > > > > of the Scout Law seems of "little concern to them" for the game is > > > > > not being a member.. but to be a Hellcat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *They "masterfully" fed me to the tigers<G> > > > > > > > > > > *Following reporting to the SPL.. (not the Scoutmaster BTW) > > > > > I was encouraged, and the SPL staff gave me a great resource for > > > > > next week's meeting.. > > > > > > > > > > What's the real difference between RR and BSA? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > *Not much<G> > > > > > ...and of what is different, it isn't found in young boys<G> > > > > > > > > > > The "difference" I discovered on day two, was that there was a > > plan > > > > > in place, and I had resources availible to come back and do > > "better" > > > > > next week. *All that did.. was restore my confidence and re-kindle > > > > > MORALE ..that as we know is the index of effective Leadership! > > > > > > > > > > Cdr.Jen said.. "Oh tuff night, yah gonna quit?" > > > > > > > > > > *Someday.. but not because I was overrun one night.. > > > > > I'll wait till they back a truck over me<G> > > > > > > > > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > > > > > --------------********+********-------------------- > > > > > Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > > > > > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > > > > > and both in the .....cause! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! 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