Yeah I hear you about the Youth. I think I'm losing a boy to the Youth except he didn't go to youth meeting last Saturday-I know I was there. I don't care where they get plugged in, really. Just so long as they get plugged in. Yea I guess signing is a the main tool for leading worship and coming into the presence of God. It seems more like He comes into our presence but thats just a personal observation. Unfortunately respecting someone elses faith means that we can't share ours because that would conflict with their beliefs and offend them. I guess thats what unequally yollked means. Around here BSA is predominately Mormon. Don't get me wrong I still love BSA and what it is trying to do in the lives of boys. I prayed for them and supported them when they came under fire for the homosexual issue. I just think Rangers is easier to get the job done. Of course God can use BSA. Bob Simons
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Its difficult if you're unequally yoked with unbelievers-trying > > centering a > > meeting on Christ, talking about Him with non-Christians as your peers. > > *Of course.. but that is the reason RR will not join with BSA > in any endevor<G> It's a desire by RR to control the context of an > event.. for the propagation of the Gospel. BSA has a place where > that can happen, and another that requires respect of "others culture > and faith" > > But we've been around this bush before..<G> > > > I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that it is difficult. DO they > > know how to bring the boys into the presence of God? > > You mean like singing: "Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling"? > > At every Scout camp is a Chapel, and every night is a "vespers service" > led by boys from the many different churches that use BSA as a > tool for building character and ethics. *I guess for you, that > isn't enough... > > > >DO they practice being led by the H.S.? > > I suppose most BSA leaders have gone to High School..<G> > But if you mean "HolySpirit" go back and explain why the > "Holyspirit" would not work in a Christian scoutmaster? > > > > I know some Christians who still have a hard time coming into His > > presence! > > Its just a matter of weighting your odds. We used to be BSA at our > > church > > and our pastor wanted something more spiritual. Thats how we became > > Rangers. > > Bob Simons > > > > I know the feeling.. > > We used to be Rangers at our church, but the childrens pastor > wanted to run something called SuperJamming Summer and feed the > Trailblazers to the youth<G> *That's why we fell back on Scouts. > > -=a=- > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "clint grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:01 PM > > Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > Sounds like I am hearing that it is impossible to be led by the Spirit > > and > > > operate a scouting program. That you must choose either the one or the > > > other. In fact, seems that over the course of the last couple days, > > someone > > > has claimed to have made the latter choice. I say that this view is > > > inconsistent with what I have learned about leadership from the Bible > > and > > > from being on both sides of the learning process, which is the > > transeferance > > > of imformation. When we read the Psalms, 1st and 2nd Samuel, Kings, > > and > > > Choronicles, you can plainly see that it is possible to perform > > mundane, > > > "secular", logistical functions and be led by the Spirit. May I go as > > far > > to > > > suggest that you can do "all things through Christ which stengthens" > > you? > > > That it is possible to be led by "divine guidance" 24-7? The trick is, > > to > > do > > > the one without leaving the other undone. Read Colosians. You'll see > > that > > > Christ must be the center in all things, even the BSA, if it will ever > > be > > > worth two cents. Will your work be hay, stubble, or gold? And when the > > earth > > > and all the elements therein burn with a fervent heat, what will > > stand? > > I'll > > > tell you what will stand, that which was done under the leadership of > > the > > > Holy Ghost. Whether it was ropecraft, patrol system, or winning a soul > > for > > > Christ, it will stand in that last day. And, that's what matters most! > > > > > > > > > >From: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:03 -0700 > > > > > > > >Duane, > > > >I'm just saying that RR is supposed to be focused around Jesus and > > the > > Holy > > > >Spirit. Its up to the S. Commander and other commanders to follow Him > > and > > > >his leading. > > > >Boy Scouts is not usually God centered and Holy Spirit led unless it > > is > > > >plugged into a church. > > > >Flesh can always get in the way but thats part of the learning > > process > > even > > > >for us older boys. > > > >Don't you think thats true? > > > >Bob Simons > > > > > > > >For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > >"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > >you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:21 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I always say that the difference between BSa & RR is Jesus!! > > > > > > > > > > I know the intent of what you say is "divine guidence" and > > > > > I'm afraid, when you look at every other organization dealing > > > > > with teaching skills to youth for goals.. there is some measure > > > > > of fleshly planning and logistical leadership. School,sports, > > > > > music,art, and the world of work. > > > > > > > > > > You must then mean that RR is not interested in anything but > > > > > Jesus, so any effort to organize, lead or prepare productive > > > > > meeting is less than Ideal<G> > > > > > > > > > > It must be, that what we allow is parents to "think" that RR > > > > > is a christian scout program, but in truth it is a 100% spirit > > > > > led evangelical outreach, and the ballance of "program" is but > > > > > a "hook" to lure boys to a salvation moment. The true index of > > > > > our success is the numbers of boys we lead to the Lord. > > > > > > > > > > Let's say you have a room of wild kids.. > > > > > > > > > > Jesus loves them when I can't<G> *Do I just raise my hands and > > > > > pray in the Holy Ghost untill they become convicted of their short > > > > > commings and yeild to the Holyspirit? > > > > > > > > > > Following this "yeilding" and the heartfelt prayer meeting.. > > > > > The boy returns to his school and home to live in the flesh > > > > > and be challanged to rise by his bootstraps.. Our advise to > > > > > him is to simply read the Bible and pray.. "Trust in the Lord, > > > > > and lean not on yur understanding" > > > > > > > > > > Later, when he finds the "learning curve" steep and he does not > > > > > hold copeing skills, or has not discovered ethics of character, > > > > > or successful Leadership experiance.. *That wasn't what RR was > > > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > Just wondering- > > > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Holy Spirit comes into the classroom we can forget our > > > > > > curriculum > > > > > > and follow Him and watch the kids do the squirming! He has a way > > of > > > > > > touching > > > > > > them like we never could. > > > > > > Bob Simons > > > > > > > > > > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > > > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > > > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:55 AM > > > > > > Subject: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (RR Vs. BSA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *I shared what I posted with T328's SPL (RR Sr.Guide position) > > and > > > > > > > he brought it up in a PLC (Patrol leader council) and is going > > to > > > > > > > leave back some of his staff next week as "headknockers" and > > decorum > > > > > > > enforcement<G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT seems.. what the troop is trying to do is plan ahead of > > events > > > > > > > so that the "event/camp" time, is not done off the cuff, but > > that > > > > > > > the boys know what is needed and expected, to shorten up > > exactly > > > > > > > what I found myself faceing in the meeting..with the younger > > scouts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some boys who have not yet discovered that the real "game" is > > > > > > > useing Scouting to advance in character.. Use the time to play > > > > > > > "thier game" that they use in school and at home to get > > attention > > > > > > > and remain ignorant<G> they use every vice to mock and taunt > > or > > > > > > > outright hit someone right out in the open! This flagrent > > violation > > > > > > > of the Scout Law seems of "little concern to them" for the > > game is > > > > > > > not being a member.. but to be a Hellcat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *They "masterfully" fed me to the tigers<G> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Following reporting to the SPL.. (not the Scoutmaster BTW) > > > > > > > I was encouraged, and the SPL staff gave me a great resource > > for > > > > > > > next week's meeting.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's the real difference between RR and BSA? > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > --------------********+********-------------------- > Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > and both in the .....cause! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > _______ This mailing list is dedicated to the glory of God. Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. Offering bucket: http://eBible.org/mpj/partner.htm To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
