--- clint grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds like I am hearing that it is impossible to be led by the Spirit > and > operate a scouting program. That you must choose either the one or the > other. In fact, seems that over the course of the last couple days, > someone > has claimed to have made the latter choice.
You might assume that, but it would not be completely true<G> God leads us in the Wilderness. The God that Scouts have a duty too is the same exact Father/Son Holy Spirit that Royal Rangers pledge "with God's help" to serve.. Mayby I'm just in a transition role to where God wants me to be, and happen to report on the process and effects of leadership training, in another context than you are used too..<G> Mayby I used some word that tripped you up or got you to think things thru.. Cool..<G> I say that this view is > inconsistent with what I have learned about leadership from the Bible > and from being on both sides of the learning process, which is the > transeferance of imformation. When we read the Psalms, 1st and 2nd Samuel, Kings, and > Choronicles, you can plainly see that it is possible to perform mundane, > "secular", logistical functions and be led by the Spirit. May I go as > far to suggest that you can do "all things through Christ which >stengthens" you? Yes sir, you may... for "All things are possible"<G> > That it is possible to be led by "divine guidance" 24-7? The trick is, > to do > the one without leaving the other undone. Read Colosians. You'll see > that > Christ must be the center in all things, even the BSA, if it will ever > be worth two cents. OK.. however we invite boys to come to a meeting without that stipulation in BSA and in RRangers. Salvation, or Christian testimony is not a "requirement" for membership! We show them a color brochure that get's their attention at what.. *Colosians? And according to your council, I can do "mundain instruction" and be spirit led<G> *Question.. Does a EMT "minister" Christ to a wounded victum of the World Trade Center? Does a person serve Christ who dishes a bowl of soup to a homeless person? *I say they do, even if not "spirit filled"...even if they have not repeted the "sinners prayer" or been baptised in water. Will your work be hay, stubble, or gold? And when the earth > and all the elements therein burn with a fervent heat, what will stand? *Only Love abides, my amigo.. We are to Love one another, and love the Lord. > I'll > tell you what will stand, that which was done under the leadership of > the > Holy Ghost. Whether it was ropecraft, patrol system, or winning a soul > for > Christ, it will stand in that last day. And, that's what matters most! Like I said "Love" rules.. And, I don't put Love in a box<G> We build our homes,churches,Outposts,Troops on Love! Love conquers all.. God is- Love<G> Peace man.. Love you! -=A=- > > > >From: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > >Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:16:03 -0700 > > > >Duane, > >I'm just saying that RR is supposed to be focused around Jesus and the > Holy > >Spirit. Its up to the S. Commander and other commanders to follow Him > and > >his leading. > >Boy Scouts is not usually God centered and Holy Spirit led unless it is > >plugged into a church. > >Flesh can always get in the way but thats part of the learning process > even > >for us older boys. > >Don't you think thats true? > >Bob Simons > > > >For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > >"plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > >you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Bob Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:21 AM > >Subject: Re: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > --- Bob Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I always say that the difference between BSa & RR is Jesus!! > > > > > > I know the intent of what you say is "divine guidence" and > > > I'm afraid, when you look at every other organization dealing > > > with teaching skills to youth for goals.. there is some measure > > > of fleshly planning and logistical leadership. School,sports, > > > music,art, and the world of work. > > > > > > You must then mean that RR is not interested in anything but > > > Jesus, so any effort to organize, lead or prepare productive > > > meeting is less than Ideal<G> > > > > > > It must be, that what we allow is parents to "think" that RR > > > is a christian scout program, but in truth it is a 100% spirit > > > led evangelical outreach, and the ballance of "program" is but > > > a "hook" to lure boys to a salvation moment. The true index of > > > our success is the numbers of boys we lead to the Lord. > > > > > > Let's say you have a room of wild kids.. > > > > > > Jesus loves them when I can't<G> *Do I just raise my hands and > > > pray in the Holy Ghost untill they become convicted of their short > > > commings and yeild to the Holyspirit? > > > > > > Following this "yeilding" and the heartfelt prayer meeting.. > > > The boy returns to his school and home to live in the flesh > > > and be challanged to rise by his bootstraps.. Our advise to > > > him is to simply read the Bible and pray.. "Trust in the Lord, > > > and lean not on yur understanding" > > > > > > Later, when he finds the "learning curve" steep and he does not > > > hold copeing skills, or has not discovered ethics of character, > > > or successful Leadership experiance.. *That wasn't what RR was > > > about? > > > > > > Just wondering- > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > When the Holy Spirit comes into the classroom we can forget our > > > > curriculum > > > > and follow Him and watch the kids do the squirming! He has a way > of > > > > touching > > > > them like we never could. > > > > Bob Simons > > > > > > > > For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, > > > > "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give > > > > you hope and a future. Jer. 29:11 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Soggy Socks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 10:55 AM > > > > Subject: [RR] Update on the "Santa Moment".. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (RR Vs. BSA) > > > > > > > > > > *I shared what I posted with T328's SPL (RR Sr.Guide position) > and > > > > > he brought it up in a PLC (Patrol leader council) and is going > to > > > > > leave back some of his staff next week as "headknockers" and > decorum > > > > > enforcement<G> > > > > > > > > > > IT seems.. what the troop is trying to do is plan ahead of > events > > > > > so that the "event/camp" time, is not done off the cuff, but > that > > > > > the boys know what is needed and expected, to shorten up exactly > > > > > what I found myself faceing in the meeting..with the younger > scouts. > > > > > > > > > > Some boys who have not yet discovered that the real "game" is > > > > > useing Scouting to advance in character.. Use the time to play > > > > > "thier game" that they use in school and at home to get > attention > > > > > and remain ignorant<G> they use every vice to mock and taunt or > > > > > outright hit someone right out in the open! This flagrent > violation > > > > > of the Scout Law seems of "little concern to them" for the game > is > > > > > not being a member.. but to be a Hellcat! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *They "masterfully" fed me to the tigers<G> > > > > > > > > > > *Following reporting to the SPL.. (not the Scoutmaster BTW) > > > > > I was encouraged, and the SPL staff gave me a great resource for > > > > > next week's meeting.. > > > > > > > > > > What's the real difference between RR and BSA? > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > *Not much<G> > > > > > ...and of what is different, it isn't found in young boys<G> > > > > > > > > > > The "difference" I discovered on day two, was that there was a > plan > > > > > in place, and I had resources availible to come back and do > "better" > > > > > next week. *All that did.. was restore my confidence and > re-kindle > > > > > MORALE ..that as we know is the index of effective Leadership! > > > > > > > > > > Cdr.Jen said.. "Oh tuff night, yah gonna quit?" > > > > > > > > > > *Someday.. but not because I was overrun one night.. > > > > > I'll wait till they back a truck over me<G> > > > > > > > > > > -=A=- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. > > > > > --------------********+********-------------------- > > > > > Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, > > > > > of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, > > > > > and both in the .....cause! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! 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