At 02:41 PM 1/17/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Jonathan, > >I hear what you're saying but the "options" that make it better for a >smaller church aren't any better than they currently are. A smaller >church today, can "opt out" of the uniform, the awards, the books, the >"stock" so it really hasn't changed. There will be significant cost >associated with the new program - those cost can be opted out - same as >right now. > >The little I've seen actually looks like more costs - costs for meeting >plans that are for the smaller undermanned church (which still has to find >the money even if it doesn't have the manning), more awards being awarded >(the round robin stuff), etc. > >Anything can be opted out to save money but that doesn't help it just >keeps status qou. Right?
I went back to all of the older versions of the PowerPoint presentations and other documents that I have received from the national office over the past three years. I see repeated mentions of making the curriculum applicable for smaller churches, but I could not find a "promise" to make Rangers more affordable. There is no way that you can do the level of curriculum development that has been done, and to create the manuals that are being created and printed, and still reduce the cost of the program. At last count there will be about 10,000 pages of materials coming out from GPH over the next 18 months to support the new program. That costs money. With that said, the national staff has done their very best to keep the costs of the new program as low as possible and yet still give us a great new program. Smaller churches are aided by the new program in a number of ways: (1) one fewer age group, which eliminates the need for a commander or two, (2) circular advancement trail, written lesson plans, and streamlined training, all of which makes it easier on the commanders that you do have and that should make it easier to recruit new commanders, since their workload has been reduced, (3) new resources that we've never had before, like the new merit books that will have many pages of resources, references, and answers for each of the merits, so commanders won't have to be experts in every subject in order to help their boys with the merits, and (4) a very flexible program with options in the advancement trail that we've never seen before in Royal Rangers. My point about the pricing options is this -- not every church will choose to have vests for their boys, or they may delay them for a while. Not every church will need the large "library" that was in the initial set of cost estimates posted to RangerNet. So the cost estimate, even for a large outpost of 35 boys and 8 leaders, is probably lower than the $4550 estimate that was posted earlier today. And those "options" could be taken without reducing the effectiveness or attractiveness of the new program to a church at all. Jonathan >In a message dated Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:28:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, >Jonathan Trower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At 10:14 AM 1/17/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >What happened to the idea that this was supposed to HELP the smaller > churches? > > > > Keep in mind that these estimates are for an outpost of 35 boys and 8 > > commanders, which hardly describes most small churches. > > > > These estimates, as published below, leave out a lot of the details about > > how these estimates were developed and what is included. > > > > For example, these estimates include vests and other items for each person > > that a smaller, or poorer church may opt to skip for now. For the boys, > the > > estimate includes their handbook and workbook, new/changed patches for the > > uniform, and vest with patches. For the leaders, the estimates include a > > Leaders Manual, patches for the uniform, training and the new LMA, > handbook > > for the age he/she is working with, a leaders guide, and a vest. > > > > Finally, the "outpost stock and library" estimate contains items like 5 > FCF > > handbooks for an outpost library, 3 of each leaders guides (even though > one > > is included in the commanders estimate for each commander), extra > handbooks > > and workbooks for the boys (2 for each age group), one of each of the > merit > > reference books (three in all), a program manual for one of the Expedition > > Rangers programs, and lots of patches, posters, and brochures. > > > > You have to look at everything that is included and ask yourself what your > > church/outpost will need to get started. That's a better estimate of the > > cost for the new program. > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > >In a message dated Thu, 17 Jan 2002 9:23:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > >Mark W Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Just food for thought. This was mailed in our District Newsletter. So > > > > be prepared to raise funds!!!! > > > > > > > > Sample of Cost: > > > > An outpost with 35 boys would have the following costs: > > > > $50 per boy x 35 > > > > boys.......................................................$1750.00 > > > > $100 per commander x 8 commanders............................... > .$800.00 > > > > Cost for Outpost Stock and > > > > Library...................................$2000.00 > > > > > > > > Total Cost for Outpost of > > > > 43..............................................$4550.00 > > > > > > > > New stuff costs. So plan on some extra fund raisers to cover the cost! > > > > > > > > Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download a Free Royal Ranger > > > > Database visit my website at: http://home1.gte.net/mjones02/index.html __________________________________ Jonathan Trower South Central Region Training Coordinator e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 254-420-1941 RR homepage: http://mis.baylor.edu/trower _______ This mailing list is dedicated to the glory of God. Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. Offering bucket: http://eBible.org/mpj/partner.htm To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm http://rangernet.org Autoresponder: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
