So what do you suggest be done?  These are the same complaints that are
heard for any anti-spam initiative whether it's RBL, DNSBLs, content
checking, etc but none of it will dissuade people from using them.  In
the case for Razor, the understanding is that a TES score falls more
rapidly than it rises.  In the case of DCC or Pyzor, you can use your
own databases(you can for Razor if you have the money and pound the
public servers a lot).  In the case for Spamassassin, you create your
own rules and whitelists.  There's nothing that you can do about
recipients outside your domain other than complain to the individual
postmasters of those other domains.  





-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool


In relation to the moveon.org situation, let me create a hypethetical 
scenereo.

I personally run two mail servers., one for myself and one for EFF. The 
server I own hosts about 25 email domains. I get a lot of email traffic 
and thousands of spam messages a day. I use spam assassin and I could 
take the very high scoring spam as well as spam already flagged by razor

and report it building an electronic reputation that makes me a reliable

source - having correctly reported thousands of spam messages a day.

Having established my reputation, I then also include all mail coming 
from a number of organization who I don't like politically. The moment 
these messages hit my server I forward them to razor and after several 
are automatically reported, razor flags this as spam and thousands of 
other servers who rely on razor start marking all message coming from 
the affected sites as spam. By the time someone manually revokes the 
messages the damage is already done. And thus someone like me could 
censor sites that I don't agree with politically.

So - what would stop me from gaming razor this way to use it as a mass 
censorship tool to silence those who disagree with me?




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