On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:55:17 -0500
"Rose, Bobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't think Vipul or Jordon can look at a hash and know whether it's
> spam or not.  Remember, it's hashes of the message body and not the
> actualy message body that is necessarily being sent.
> 
> Also, I don't think this thread is going to resolve anything.

Well, that's defeatist... :)

> Besides,
> who cares if a message is being tagged as spam so long as it's being
> delivered.  Note that I said "tagged".  Razor, SA, pyzor, etc are not
> MTA and don't come with any code to drop a message into the bit-bucket.

YMMV. You can run Razor from within SpamAssassin within Amavis within
Postfix (or within MimeDefang within Sendmail or within something within
Exim, etc.) and use it to reject mail during the SMTP phase or silently
discard the mail before final delivery to the user.

Admonishments to the contrary, sysadmins frequently use tools in ways
the authors don't intend. For example, rejecting at the SMTP phase saves
a lot of resources downstream which translates into real money. You
shouldn't do this unless you're sure you're rejecting crap and the gray
area is your local definition of 'sure.'

> If a postmaster is using a setup that drops a message based on it's
> spaminess instead of delivering then it's not the fault of the antispam
> product.  The complaint should be with the postmaster and how they are
> using the product not the product.  If you don't know who to complain
> such as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] then notify the person on your
> list that their newsletter couldn't be delivered because their
> postmaster is blocking it.  

True, but if you can fix the product, you reduce the
competence/attention level required of thousands of local admins. Given
limited time and energy, is it easier to fix one product or retrain
thousands of admins? In this case, the fix makes the product better and
more accurate for everyone, it's not just a quick exception for one
mailing list.

-- Bob


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