I used to reject mail at the SMTP level until my users were mysteriously
getting de-subscribed from mailing lists.  Good list admins will dump
subscribers they can't deliver to, so if someone Razor's your list, then you
get unsubscribed.  So now I don't do that any more.  It just silently passes
on to the "spam" bucket.  I review messages that that aren't tagged by at
least two spam filters.  And I don't have people calling me about their list
subscriptions.

Fox


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Sheppard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bob Apthorpe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Razor-users] Turning Razor into a censorship tool


> > > Besides, who cares if a message is being tagged as spam so long as
> > > it's being delivered.  Note that I said "tagged".  Razor, SA,
> > > pyzor, etc are not MTA and don't come with any code to drop a
> > > message into the bit-bucket.
> >
> > YMMV. You can run Razor from within SpamAssassin within Amavis
> > within Postfix (or within MimeDefang within Sendmail or within
> > something within Exim, etc.) and use it to reject mail during the
> > SMTP phase or silently discard the mail before final delivery to the
> > user.
>
> That's what I do: Sendmail -> MIMEDefang -> SpamAssassin -> Razor.
> It's very useful for preventing build up of double-bounced spam in the
> postmaster mailbox which was totally swamping legitimate mail.  Of
> course I've set things up so that SA has to return a pretty high score
> for MIMEDefang to reject mail (10) and Razor alone won't do it
> (although I've set that quite high (7)).  SA scores of 5 to 9.9 get a
> header added.  I also shoved a ClamAV scan in there.  This setup has
> greatly cleaned up the email stream.
>
> Rejecting at the SMTP level really makes things much easier to deal
> with from an admin point of view, and I imagine that many others have
> discovered this and are doing likewise.  I never silently discard
> email because then no-one knows it's a problem.  By rejecting
> hopefully someone somewhere will see that there's a problem and do
> something about it.
>
> Mark.
>
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