Hi,

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 21:25:52 -0500
"Rose, Bobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>       Why don't you spend your time trying to find out who on your
> supposed "opt-in" list reported your mailings to razor.  Here's an idea.
> Why not send out a message to your list of addresses and tell them how
> to unsubscribe from your list instead of hiding it in the long message
> body of your mailings.  Razor didn't reported your mailing... one of
> your own list members did.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You have no basis to make that statement.

Perhaps someone who doesn't like the EFF is maliciously reporting their
newsletter as spam and the EFF doesn't want to start an electronic
'witch hunt' because, oh, I don't know, they find that kind of activity
morbidly offensive?

Now, it's plausible that someone subscribed to the EFF list, died, and
their now-useless account is being used by an aggressively anti-spam
sysadmin as a spamtrap feeding to Razor. If the EFF doesn't periodically
reconfirm their list and there are enough spamtraps out there feeding to
Razor, the newsletter may get blocked for a while. The combination of
reconfirmation and dropping TeS on errant spamtraps should reduce this
problem.

It's also plausible that the EFF doesn't confirm their mailing list
subscriptions. It's trivial to verify if that's the case. I'm running a
test now...

Another plausible answer is that someone's intentionally gaming Razor
specifically to interfere with the EFF's newsletter. That is not so easy
to solve by the EFF without them controlling all our online behavior,
which may well be in the US Attorney General's (or the Chinese
government's, or North Korea's, or ...) mission statement, but it's
probably not in the EFF's.

The answer of 'suck it up, freedom-boy' is not terribly satisfying. If
you expect Razor to have any long-term viability as an anti-spam tool,
you'll look for a good technical or social solution to the problem of
malicious users interfering with legitimate communications by means of
Razor.

Me, I use Razor as part of SpamAssassin and I white-list mailing lists I
receive, so unless a message is particularly spammy, a bogus Razor
report here and there won't break anything. Others may use Razor more
aggressively and those people shouldn't have to worry about some jackass
with an axe to grind abusing Razor to further an agenda beyond just
fighting spam.

-- Bob


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