On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 11:48:57AM -0800,
Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is thought to have said:

> But - the point is like you said. I wonder if anyone who has a list of 
> this size - especially a list that would be the target of those who 
> disagree with our views - could ever put out a newsletter without 
> somebody somewhere flagging it as spam. And - there's nothing that the 
> owners of these lists can do to prevent Razor from censoring lists of 
> this nature without Razor changing it's trust system to something that's 
> smarter that what it currently is.

FWIW my day job is for a large online travel site. We have a bunch of
newsletters, many of which have > 100k subscribers (all opt-in+confirm). We
sometimes have a problem with Razor listings and sometimes do not. Just like we
sometimes have a problem with SpamCop reports and sometimes do not. Most of
our newsletters go out weekly and the incidence of complaint or listing is
fairly low. And given the razor listings I've seen for our newsletters
having low cf values (usually low single digits) I don't consider it a big
problem. I know we're doing the right thing with our lists and that's the
best we can do. Where possible when someone complains directly they get
removed (after being provided with the subscription evidence) and where it's
not possible we don't lose too much sleep over the Razor listings. I usually
just issue a razor-revoke on the ones I subscribe to and move on.

Tabor

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Tabor J. Wells                                [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fsck It!                 Just another victim of the ambient morality


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