Hi, On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:44:42 -0800 Marc Perkel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I admit that EFF's verification system for new users is less than ideal > in that someone could subscribe someone else without their approval. That's it right there. Fix that and the bulk of your specific problems with Razor will go away. Without confirming subscriptions, your list can be used to list-bomb people and very much ought to be blocked irrespective of content until this technical flaw is fixed. See http://mail-abuse.com/manage.html for details. That does not solve the theoretical problem of gaming Razor to erroneously flag messages as spam but I suspect that practically, it's a lot harder to be victimized if you run a properly confirmed email list. Hint: Mailman works wonders and you can't beat the price. > I > would also point out that those who can block EFFs newsletter, or any > other newsletter, are totally annonymous and unaccountable. If we are > going to hold those who own lists to some high standard, should we not > also hold those who report spam to a high standard also? For example - > with Spamcop if someone complains I get an opportunity to respond and to > send an email to the preson - through an unidentifiable alias - who > reported it. This has happened twice and in both incidences - it was an > accident. > > Razor has no such accountability structure. Maybe it should? Given the retribution exacted by spammers on those that report them, it's no wonder people want to report anonymously. I'd rather improve an anonymous trust scheme than give Cloudmark a big subpoenable mailing list. Spamcop is a bad example because their statistics are thoroughly borked and getting unlisted may depend a great deal on your personality, regardless of their users' accountability. Short answer, fix your list confirmation, wait two months, and see if that cures your problem. If not, we can reevaluate the adequacy of Razor's trust system then. -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Razor-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/razor-users
