show me a fine tigged bike with Riv geo, Riv aesthetics, threaded
fork, tallish headtube, lightweight tubing, cantis, and rack
brazeons...in the $700 price range.  oh yeah, i've come to appreciate
a kickstand mounting plate too.

On Dec 11, 9:06 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he.  I think you are all
> > correct and he probably won't consider tig.
>
> You need to throw father time in the mix.  Grant has gone on record
> saying Riv ends when he retires.  Grant is in his mid-50s.  It seems
> counterintuitive to work a complete reversal of company philosophy for
> its last 10 years of existance.
>
> > Really my ideal was to get the lightness, that geo, quill, rear rack 
> > brazeons, canti/vbrakes, in a $700-$1000 price
> > point.  And I thought off shore and tigged was a good formula.
>
> I have yet to see a cogent example of what, other than putting the
> Rivendell name on the downtube, Grant could do in this market that
> many other companies are already doing quite well.
>
> On Dec 11, 10:02 am, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Grant is capable of changing though, isn't he.  I think you are all
> > correct and he probably won't consider tig.  But as I recall he both
> > never used to mention the weight of bikes, framesets and now look at
> > how he is discussing/selling the lightness of Roadeo.  I know the
> > Roadeo fits the lugged mission, but here he is drifting toward the
> > lightness factor.  Really my ideal was to get the lightness, that geo,
> > quill, rear rack brazeons, canti/vbrakes, in a $700-$1000 price
> > point.  And I thought off shore and tigged was a good formula.
>
> > I can easily let it go as my Fuji is all of that, but lacks some
> > pinache.
>
> > On Dec 11, 7:52 am, "Frederick, Steve" <frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Bill Connell wrote, in part:
>
> > > ...I applaud Grant's stubborn aesthetic sense; he has a cohesive vision
> > > for the company, and that strong visual identity is a huge asset...
>
> > > Yeah, I think they'd stand to lose more than they gain if they wander too 
> > > far from that vision.  I recall in an early Reader, Grant talked about 
> > > how you used to be able to tell a bike's brand by it's Lug design.  That 
> > > it was a signature of sorts.  And how he hoped that in 100 years, someone 
> > > could dig a Rivendell out of a trash heap, paint and decals gone, rusty 
> > > and filthy and see the lugs and say "wow, this is a Rivendell!"
>
> > > That matters to him and I suspect to most of us, too.
>
> > > Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI- Hide quoted text -
>
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