Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It looks 
like the axle and bearings are the same.

Anyone know?

Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the USA:
https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal

Michael

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:

> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  And 
> why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
> type!
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>
>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
>> low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
>> don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
>> find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
>>> shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
>>> BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
>>> them in six colors. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>>>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>>>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>>>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>>>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
>>>> boxes.
>>>>
>>>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>>>>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>>>>> there for a few reasons:
>>>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
>>>>> and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>>>>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
>>>>> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
>>>>> for, 
>>>>> unless I'm mistaken.
>>>>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
>>>>> long enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
>>>>>> any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
>>>>>> body 
>>>>>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>>>>>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>>>>>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>>>>>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>>>>>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>>>>>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
>>>>>> they 
>>>>>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
>>>>>> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
>>>>>> of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 ..... a little 
>>>>>> better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's...... ahhh ...... 
>>>>>> sweeeeet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
>>>>>> back 
>>>>>> in the day .... soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>>>>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>>>>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter 
>>>>>>> (Sam 
>>>>>>> Hill).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
>>>>>>> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
>>>>>>> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These 
>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>> okay, but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without 
>>>>>>> connection (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a 
>>>>>>> fairly large platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I 
>>>>>>> know 
>>>>>>> many of you enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways 
>>>>>>> models. 
>>>>>>> All of these appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. 
>>>>>>> And 
>>>>>>> yet...I wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully 
>>>>>>> padded and helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my 
>>>>>>> bike here and there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>>>>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is 
>>>>>>> your 
>>>>>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the 
>>>>>>> length of 
>>>>>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and 
>>>>>>> Allways, 
>>>>>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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