I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
them in six colors. 

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>
> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
> boxes.
>
> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>> there for a few reasons:
>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
>> and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
>> words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
>> unless I'm mistaken.
>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
>> enough?
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>>
>>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 ..... a little better but 
>>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's...... ahhh ...... sweeeeet spot of 
>>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day .... 
>>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>>>> Hill).
>>>>
>>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>>>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>>>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>>>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>>>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>>>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>>>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>>>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>>>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>>>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>>>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>>
>>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length 
>>>> of 
>>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and 
>>>> Allways, 
>>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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